Video of Marciano Hitting 300lb Heavy Bag

This would all be well and good if you hadn't already exaggerated other simple statistics like Louis' weight. :good

 

It seems to me this Warren just gets his kicks from trying to provoke you, I havent seen anything constructive that he has written,it might be an idea not to rise to his bait,if you starve a maggot it will eventually die.

 

A LOT of times, on these old fights the "Modren" day Narrater would mix up stuff or get things wrong.

Clear mistakes.

Johnson Jeff, Narrater says we move into the 12th round, but you can CLEARY see the 13th round card flash in the background.(Yes I seen the 12th and 13th rounds of this fight, and it is CLEARLY the 13th round.)

Dempsey Carp, I think we all know the round 2 beling played as round 1.
For more mix up Dempsey fun, in Dempsey Tunney 1, Round ten is RELLY round 4. Took a few views to catch that. I have a longer version with the complete round 4 intact. Never saw the tenth round outside of highlights on the Dempsey bios and Kings of the rings.

 

Suzie, first off, I'm more or less busting your ass. I'm not out to seriously rile you up.

But to answer that question... Louis wasn't a natural 220 heavyweight, at all. You're talking about his all time highest weights towards the end of his career when he was slipping and a little soft.

 

Cant relly ask Marciano to beat something that was not there are in the case of Valez, loseing to the lighter fighters like Archie Moore.

 

Yes, he was in better shape for the Marciano fight then a few of his fights before then, yes?

 

I'm sorry Suzie ,Louis looks old to me here, his midriff is soft and his overall definition is that of a man nearly 40. It wasnt just his age it was the mileage on his clock. Joe put up a decent fight against Marciano,I'm not tearing down the win for Rocky ,but Louis was caught with numerous rights over the top in this fight ,and his own right was glued to his face. Joe still had some pop in his jab and this coupled with a few hooks kept him in the fight for a while, but his reflexes were gone,those marvellous combos ,no longer flashed out with such unerring precision ,and the meat axe right did not land like a bomb any more.
Marciano would have fought 220 lbs guys ,he would have fought anyone,but the best men around in his time were smaller than that,he fought them and stopped them,and those he didnt had been stopped by those he had kod ,we can ask no more of him.Imo He would have kod Valdes, but as Moore beat him twice the match did not come off.Im more impressed with the way Marciano walked through Layne than worrying about 220lb black guys who were second and third raters.

 

Suzie I bought and watched this fight before you were born ,from Blackhawk films NY it was on an old super 8mm.
I have pictures of fighters all the way up my stairs,one shows a 1940 Louis skipping rope he is chiseled and lean his skin glows.next to it I have him taking an elbow from Marciano,the difference in the the two pictures is striking.Louis had been fighting professionally from 1934 to 1951, thats 17 years, he was in sharp decline he had looked unimpressive beating Bivins with the remnants of his jab three months before , his punches no longer came automatically he had to think about them . Louis went into the Marciano fight with confidence he didnt think much of Marciano's abilities, he called him a bar brawler in private,but he severely underestimated Marciano's strength and stamina,as Louis wore down in the the fight Marciano commenced to land solidly , and with both hands ,its pretty painful to watch really,but thats the nature of the sport .Age must eventually give way to youth.