Video: Oscar De La Hoya's 6 most controversial bouts

he beat mosley in the second one if i recall. beat trinidad clearly. lost to sturm. beat pernell clearly

 

No one can say Whitaker or De La Hoya 'lost' the fight, just not fair on either fighter. Both even.
DLH clearly beat Trinidad.
DLH definitely beat Roided Mosley 116-112, a complete robbery.
DLH-Quartey = The knockdown was the difference in that very even fight.
DLH-Mayweather = Mayweather won 8-4, DLH who already had a reputation of running out of gas across the stretch, being COMPLETELY AND UTTERLY past prime, was pretty spent by round 8, and it's only then Mayweather took over, not because of 'adapting' or anything of the sort.
DLH-JJM = Molina was just fouling around and it was ineffective aggression for the most part.

 

It's been a long time since I've watched the John John fight, but I think my initial reaction was that Oscar lost a close fight. I'm going to have to re-visit that one soon.

I am a lot better at scoring fights now, then I was back then. So I'll most likely have a different perspective this time around.

 

That Sturm fight may have been the only fight Sturm did not get the home town victory for. It was home cooking after that though.

Trinidad looked more in control of that fight in my opinion.

 

I don't really feel like The World Awaits belongs in the conversation. My feeling on that being a split decision is about the same as Mayweather vs. Canelo ending in the same official result, though I do feel like Oscar gave Floyd a much closer fight than did Saúl. The records may show a SD but those are both VERY clear wins for Mayweather that should have been unanimous (by a close but comfortable margin with DLH, and honestly close to a shutout over Canelo)

I feel like anyone that isn't beholden to a Mayweather-bashing agenda is on the same page with the generally accepted 116-112 score. There really wasn't any budge room in there even to make it 115-113, let alone to make it a draw, let alone to give it to Oscar, let alone to feel he got 'robbed' (as I've only seen a lunatic hater fringe claim)

The other five are in the same ballpark in terms of their attendant controversy. In all of them you are talking about victory being one shift of a tight swing round (of which all contained many) either way. In all of them one can make the reasonable argument for the official decision or from the standpoint of the loser getting screwed. None of that is true of Mayweather vs. de la Hoya, IMO.

 

If anything, if you were going to stretch it to a Top 6 instead of just five, having both meetings with SSM on the list makes a lot more sense to me than including Mayweather. Oscar thought he got robbed in the first encounter as well as the rematch (as did a large portion of his fan base) and it was a split decision...and more deservedly so than Mayweather vs. DLH which should have been a cut & dry 116-112 x3 UD.

I sort of get why you included that one, however, just because the prevalence of an extremely vocal minority (comprised though it may be of almost exclusively trolling Mayweather haters) makes it the more frequently discussed match in retrospect than...well, any of the others.

Really a hollow sort of 'controversial', though - sort of like if you had a group of people vehemently insisting Tex Cobb was robbed against Larry Holmes. The other five are controversial in the more conventional sense where you can at least see the opposing argument no matter which side you fall on (and can even find yourself playing devil's advocate when those in agreement with you on the result stray a bit too far in the other direction claiming it was much wider or more dominant than it was)

 

Interesting that Oscar had 13 decisions in his career, going 9-4 (

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), and half of those have controversy raging well after his retirement the better part of a decade ago. It speaks to your point, Rummy, that he was involved during his time in some of the biggest moments in the sport (more to be sure than any of his contemporaries) and that regardless of whatever revisionist narrative some may want to spin about him always falling short when it counted, he fought at the highest level consistently for years and it nearly ALWAYS was a very competitive razor's-edge affair.

...to say nothing of the fact that he dominated some very good boxers in his remaining decisions, never mind all the excellent ones he stopped. There's enough on his résumé to more than counteract his very small handful of dominant losses (ATG Pacquiao well past his prime and weight-drained, ATG Hopkins at middleweight after Sturm had already shown Oscar didn't belong at the weight, and, if you want to push it, ATG Mayweather though I don't think Oscar was dominated any more than he was robbed...just clearly beaten) which all look pretty damn forgivable to me.

The man defeated 23-2 Jeff Mayweather in his fifth pro outing, by stoppage. He stopped Jimmi Bredahl, then 16-0, to claim his first world title in just his twelfth. He then stomped his way from super feather up through welterweight on a tear of 20-0 (15) with nineteen of those being world title matches, becoming a 4-division champ between '94 and '99 and wiping out some VERY capable foes even if they were a bit past their best.

Clearly a great, even if you rendered his record to read 0-6 in the six titular 'controversial' bouts.

 

Another close one that Oscar was involved with that gets overlooked is Oba Carr. Take away the point deductions and knockdowns and they'd have entered the eleventh with an official judges' array of 96-95 DLH, 95-96 Carr, and 97-94 DLH.

You'd be hard pressed to find somebody else in his or any other era that fought so many top ranked opponents with so much parity. He was really the anchor of his time in the sport, from his dominant squashes of smaller, older, and stylistically disadvantated but still formidable guys like JCC, Gatti, Chicanito, Leija and Maromero to his comfortable decisions over the likes of Héctor Camacho and John Molina, to his late-career triumphs over the likes of Castillejo, Vargas, Mayorga and Forbes, to all of the controversial ones, each a blockbuster event with DLH versus someone ranked at or near the very top of their respective division if not on p4p lists, and none of them by any means a blowout.

The "always failed when it mattered" viewpoint just doesn't hold water, IMO. He took on everybody and they all went life and death with him (with the exception, on your list, of Mayweather, although even there it was arguably his 2nd toughest night since Lorenzo Aragón in the Olympics, after Castillo I, and 2nd toughest pro match until Cotto and later Maidana I, still perhaps sitting at 4th)

 

Great video Rumsfeld!!

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That creepy zoom in on IB....