Video: Oscar De La Hoya's 6 most controversial bouts

I thought Oscar lost to Whitaker, Floyd, Trinidad, and Sturm.

I thought he fought Quartey to a draw.

I thought Oscar beat Mosley twice.

 

Thanks for the video.

 

:nod Deeply unsettling.

 

Don't be hating on the Führerscalpen! :exmad

 

The decision versus Sturm is far more subject to debate than versus Mayweather.

Sturm won 115-113 on nearly everybody's card.

Mayweather beat DLH 116-112 on every objective card and the eight rounds he won are very firm, no wiggle room.

 

Is that what you call it IB:huh
I have to agree with CST as it was a little unusual bru:hey:smooch

Hope all is well with you and the kid

 

Rummy:good

 

So officially DLH was 3-3 against this particular half-dozen grouping. (W: Pete, Felix, Ike. L: PBF, SSM, Tito)

Unofficially, it seems we have a near-consensus* of him being 3-3 if you adjust the scores to reflect what fans and boxing insiders think results ought to have reflected. (W: Ike, SSM, Tito. L: PBF, Felix, Ike)

*Rummy, for the record, with his revisited card still favoring Sweet Pea, actually has DLH going 2-4 as it happens.

Either way, going by the official verdicts or not, batting .500 against this group (and being highly competitive even in the losses) speaks to Oscar being a MAJOR force h2h - and not just a marquee name due to his drawing power - in high-profile main event boxing for over a decade, from welterweight through middleweight, and this is after he already had probably cemented HOF status becoming a 3-division champion from the early through mid '90s.

Did he fulfill his "Golden Boy" potential and emerge as the best of his era? No, clearly not. If he were as good as the (perhaps unfair) projections made early in his career he would have racked up a string of 118-110 or wider unanimous decisions and/or stoppages against foes like these. He struggled too much with being made to lead and chase after cutie-pie defensive wizards, too frequently suffered from judge-alienating sputtering episodes in the final third of the championship distance, was too hospitable to incoming jabs, and was too inconsistently focused on his own difference-making jab to ever become that next-generation successor to SRL that many expected. But he was pretty damn good nonetheless, and it sells his legacy very short to chalk it up to just smashing through outmatched competition on his way up and then failing to ever net a big decisive W in an important clash. The decisive victories that he does have: Camacho, Hernández, Chávez, Vargas, Páez, Ruelas, Molina, Gatti, Leija, Gonzalez, Carr, Rivera, Castillejo, Mayorga, Campas & Coley - bundled in with the fact that he fought on very even terms with three prime unbeaten fellow members of the "elite turn-of-the-century welterweight club" (Bazooka, Sugar, and Tito) and took roughly half the rounds against them, give or take a couple, and the fact that even past his own he gave a Floyd Mayweeather Jr. in his prime a hard, physical test (even if you can't give him more than four of twelve rounds) - all speaks to DLH being more than an ordinary champion, but a truly great (if not transcendentally so, in the Ray Leonard or Floyd Mayweather sense) fighter. :good

 

I had the Sturm fight 116-112. Not a close fight. No judge had any business scoring that fight for Oscar. :verysad

 

Competitve fights all, but I had DLH only beating Whitaker and drawing against Mayweather. The rest DLH lost imo.

 

Thanks Rumsfield. I have had a quick look at the video and it looks as though you are providing some interesting ****ysis here. I need to sit down and watch it properly and I will do so over the weekend. Thanks again.

 

Great video Rummy. :good

 

No real wrong answers when fights are this close. :rofl