Video: Ray "Boom Boom" Mancini Explains That Floyd Is A Con Artist

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  1. PIPO23

    PIPO23 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Mancini is definitely right. Floyd is a con artist. Everyone knows he's a liar and a hypocrite is a key skills of a Con Artist.:tong Mofo has honed it over the years and has become a pro at it.
     
  2. JohnnyDrama99

    JohnnyDrama99 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    If you got that message, then you missed his point of view as a boxer. A professional prize fighter has a platform where he is expected to perform....and he's paid for the performance. Boxing is a business and some fighters feel it's their obligation to take risks inside that ring.

    Ray's issue wasn't that he felt Floyd didn't go out in his fights and just brawl for the sake of appeasing blood thirsty fans....his point was that this incredibly skilled and ultra talented athlete who is making a lot of money from fans, uses his athletic ability and talents to avoid risks and win at all costs.....at the expense of giving fight fans an entertaining fight.

    Floyd could use his athletic talents and skills to actually take more risks.....not to get knocked out or to take unnecessary punishment, but to impose skill, craft and experience over his opposition. It's more risky, but the rewards are bigger. What Floyd does when he fights like he did with Marcos in the rematch doesn't require as much skill..... It requires better athleticism and quicker feet in order to outpoint his opponent. When he performed against Marcos in the first fight.... That was skill and entertainment.....

    It was Floyd at his best becuase he exhibited the ability to not just outpoint Miadana by pot shotting his was to a Unamimous Decison....Floyd showed he could use head movement, angles, lateral movement all while in front of the less polished but much stronger Miadana. That kind of match required a constant display of high level skills from Floyd which we just aren't accustomed to seeing from him because he can make his fights easy becuase he enjoys better speed than most of his opponents and he's fast enough to land on the outside without putting himself in any dangerous situations.
     
  3. FilipMNE

    FilipMNE Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Well you kind of said why many say 0 doesnt matter, what metters the most is opposition faced, SRL has losses but also has much better wins than Floyd so SRL>FLoyd, see how 0 doesnt matter that much.
     
  4. jim jim

    jim jim Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Just because didn't fight we'll doesn't mean that maidana was a top 2 or 3 welterweight or one of the best. Il tell you what if he had of beat Pacquio then someone like Martinez people would be arguing about his atg standing and wouldn't get nearly as much hate as he gets
     
  5. M.3

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    I don't like when people use such vague words like "risks" and "tough opponents".. No one ever gets specific enough for me to fully understand them...

    What we saw in the first fight was one guy (Maidana) throwing every pinch in the book to every part of Floyd's body that was above the knee.. Sure Floyd withstood it and got some good shots in there too, but he got hit with do many non scoring his though.. He was hit behind his head numerous times, which is very dangerous, and people don't really care because it was "entertaining" and it sometimes comes with the territory.. This is what Floyd was talking about when he said his health comes first.. So to avoid those shots against a fighter who didn't really seem to care that those shots were dangerous/dirty, he fought how he did in the second fight...

    There were also people who truly believed Floyd lost the first fight because of the "entertainment" that Maidana showed by throwing all those punches weather it was scoring blows or not.. That's why there was a rematch.. Do you think Floyd wouldn't want to remove all and any doubt by winning by any means necessary? Floyd is a 37 year old man in a brutal sport with his health still intact, so he's (like any smart person should do) going to fight to win.. If I was him, I would do the same thing.. He has 2 maybe 3 fights left in his career, so he will defiantly finish real cautiously.. It would suck to get hurt or permanently damaged on your last fight trying to entertain people who hate you.. Weather your entertained or not, he still gets paid...

    That's looking at it from his point of view.. Which I fully understand if I like it or not...
     
  6. Constable

    Constable Boxing Junkie banned

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    Mayweather is the best con artist he never takes risks in a fight always plays it safe i remember the great manny steward talking about this i think it was in the baldo fight he had the guy their for the taking but ran from him.

    compare him to warriors like morales in the 12th round he had the fight in the bag he turned southpaw on Manny and invited him to slug it out thats a badass many more examples bareera,pac,morales,oscar,mosley all these guys never took risks
     
  7. Brixton Bomber

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    If nothing is in it for you, why do you always mention it? it's not like you're getting paid to mention it, so why do it?
     
  8. Godhead

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    Another hater, just like your mother. Sitting around discussing Mayweather. Mancini has been retired 20 years and Mayweathers on his mind. Mayweather isn't "humble" enough for him.

    I highly doubt Ray Leonard, or Hearns would sit around like women concered about Kolaev, Golovkin, Chris Algieri does.

    Mayweather would have given Mancini an Arturo Gotti style beating. He's also mad that Mayweather will beat Maricano's record.
     
  9. M.3

    M.3 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    That's called being stupid not being a "badass".. You left out the examples where a fighter was winning in the last round and wanted to be a "badass" and got knocked out...
     
  10. alexthegreatmc

    alexthegreatmc Sound logic and reason. You're welcome! Full Member

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    At 37 years old...
     
  11. alexthegreatmc

    alexthegreatmc Sound logic and reason. You're welcome! Full Member

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    Two good comments from you, sums it up.
     
  12. alexthegreatmc

    alexthegreatmc Sound logic and reason. You're welcome! Full Member

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    I'm pretty much in agreement with everything you've said so far. I won't criticize Floyd for fighting the way he does, and you've got to be stupid to think he's going for the KO.
     
  13. pugs

    pugs Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It doesn't nean **** if he ducked and dodged risky fights and fought exclusively only one style like slow come forward fighters.
     
  14. Malcolm

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    Ultimately you can't blame Floyd for being a Con Artist when the public keeps enabling him. I'm mystified why people keep buying his fights. At this point how much has the average viewer invested in seeing him beat? $500? More?
    I hate the whole, "entertaining = crude brawling" argument. I wanna see exceptional skills used to do exceptional things. To me entertaining defense (as opposed to 'running') is when you make your opponent miss (shots they'd land against most other opponents) with upper body movement and\or use your defense to set up offense that will do damage. Exciting defense is like watching an escape artist put themselves in harm's way and avoid it with relative ease.
    I always look at Mike Tyson as possibly the marketable fighter of all time and at his best he anything BUT a crude brawler. He had all the tools and he used them to ATTACK.
     
  15. Beatle

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    Floyd nut-huggers love watching the idol of their gay worship take 70 dollars from each of their pockets and buy Ferraris and Lamborghinis. :thumbsup