(VIDEO) Roy Jones Speaks on Working With Pascal.. Speaks on Calzaghe & Hopkins..

Roy implied that Hopkins & Calzage are bottom feeders...LOL

:rofl:rofl:rofl

 

Well aren't they

 

Because he refuses to believe the truth that Joe wanted no parts of Roy when he was in his prime so he tries to convince people by putting up the same crap over and over again .

 

My point is that, a parent comforting a worried child will say what is needed to calm them down.
You are the one quoting an 8 year old

I dont refuse to believe anything. I look at video evidence and watched Calzaghe call out Jones on live TV on the Tyson undercard, he spent time trying to hype a fight between them.
He agreed to meet Jones and Jones changed his mind and went for a different option.
I have brought up the links. Roy even said himself that Calzaghe wanted the fight.

“I saw Joe as a potential opponent a long time ago,” Jones said. “But I had my eyes on higher things, such as winning the heavyweight title, so it was nothing against Joe, I love everything about him. He’s a fun guy, an entertaining guy, a good person. We took some pictures together with his sons after the fight on Saturday and we’ve talked on the phone. But boxing is business. When I was the best pound-for-pound boxer in the world it wouldn’t have been smart for me to go and fight Joe.


Why do you refuse to believe that?

 

And do you know what he meant by that last statement? It meant who was Joe to dictate anything !Take the glasses off for once ! And actions speak louder than words ..Joe's actions never measured up to his words .If he was serious about a fight with Jones he'd of moved to light heavy and come to the US a long time ago.Maybe he should have taken notes from Clinton Woods who at least had the balls to come and fight Roy as opposed to calling him out with out any real effort!

 

good interview. He seems to respect Calzaghe and sort of downplays Hopkins. Saying he is succesful because his style is slow.

 

Roy has no choice but to respect calzaghe after that asswhoopin. But they are sort of similar in a lot of ways, they could be good friends.

 

Do you believe Calzaghe was lying to his son? Or do you think he was honest in comforting his son?

And Roy's statement is the honest truth... When he was the best pound for pound fighter in the world, it would have made no sense to drop to 168 and fight Joe in Wales. Moving to HW and winning a title in America, on HBO, was a better legacy and business move. I do not refuse to believe that in any way.

I think what happened to Roy in the Olympics ruined the chance of him ever going abroad when he was known as the best, could get good money, and didn't have to travel away...... He seems to be fine with going overseas now that the roles are turned....

 

Not really..

Roy is a classy guy, and chooses to respect Joe... Joe has HUGE respect for Roy, He even said he understood why people called Roy Superman when he looks at what Roy was able to accomplish.

 

bailey,

Links of what? Frank had two rounds of talks, and picked up the phone a few times. That's not chasing someone. You can't seriously chase someone, if you fight in a different weight class. It's ******ed!

How many times have you posted links of him saying 5 to 6 years, to back up your arguments? Now your saying, it was just an indication of time, and it wasn't 5 to 6 years SPECIFICALLY. If you seriously believe that, then stop posting them. Again he hadn't been chasing anything.

He was forever in a vicious circle. He said he chased Roy and wanted him, but he wanted big money. But he wasn't going to get big money, because there was no demand for the fight. There was no demand for the fight, because Joe fought in Britain at 168, and HBO weren't that interested, and neither were the U.S. fans. Ask Imperial and Mind reader how Joe was perceived.

Show me a link, I can't open the other one.

Grant was happy to take the opportunity to fight Roy at 175.

It was a consideration. Why would he have dropped back to fight an unknown WBO belt holder? What would he have gained? It wouldn't have been a big money fight. There was no interest on a global scale.

What does this have to do with anything?

That's right. But you posted up Joe's quote, and then tried to say that Roy had confirmed what Joe had said. That's not what happened. Roy didn't validate Joe's bull**** claim that he was chased for 5 or 6 years. That's what you were trying to say. Roy said he knew Joe had wanted to fight him for a while. Also, he probably only said that, because Joe had told him anyway. Either way, Roy didn't verify what Joe had specifically said.

Of course not. I was just accounting for each year that's all.

As above.

He'd have taken the fight if it'd have been there? It was never going to be there, because Joe was fighting in Britain at 168. He didn't actively do anything.

What did he do? He said after McIntyre, he wanted to be fighting the likes of Roy.

Then what?

He stayed at 168 in Britain, while Roy was at 175, in America. That was 2001. He didn't end up in America or at 175 until 2008. That was 7 years later.

You can't say you want Roy who's at 175, and then remain at 168 fighting Brewer etc. It's ridiculous!

He didn't say he WAS dropping back.

Yes I've seen it.

1. Does that mean he chased Roy in 2001, because he mentioned his name?

2. What did he do after he'd mentioned Roy's name?

Nothing!

The video and the article are from the same point in time.

Yes Frank had talks, and they were a complete waste of time. He literally couldn't have enquired about a fight for Joe at a worst time.

Roy's other option was Tarver, and at the time, Murad Muhammad was also negotiating with the Ruiz camp.

But I'll let you have this one.

Frank did have talks.

But I'm arguing against the fact, that Joe said he'd chased Roy for 5 or 6 years.

Again, I was just covering each of Joe's years.

This isn't relevant to what we're discussing, and Roy was nearly 40, he hadn't won at elite level for 5 years, and Joe had dismissed his a threat on two occasions.

Admit what?

A phone call, a name drop, and a few talks at completely the wrong time?

Nice try, but it won't wash.

I don't need to give you my opinion. I'll just state facts.

Joe had a 15 year career, and 11 of those 15 years, were spent in a different division, to the guy he supposedly chased.

 

LOL, @ Calslappy fans

 

No, he's saying he would give Roy a good fight but get his ass kicked, and he wants to be paid outrageously to take the certain loss.

See... I read and speak English. That's how I know this.

Calzaghe could have come and fought Roy for whatever HBO was willing to pay him, which probably would have been on par with what he was getting for his title fights with eurotrash. If he won that fight, instant worldwide superstar and paydays in the millions. He's not stupid. He knows that. Because he's not stupid, he knows that Roy would have dismissed him without much effort and he would have been forever relegated to the 'Good for a European' class of fighter. That's why he didn't fight Roy.

 

Which, of course, ignores the fact that we all interpret thing in a different way.

You, inclined to think Calzaghe's loss was an ironclad certainty, interpret his words to mean the knew he would lose and just wanted to be paid big to get something out of it, while I, inclined to think the fight would be a close affair that Jones would edge, interpret Joe's words to mean that he was confident of being able to press Jones but not confident that he would win and wouldn't risk it without being paid big.

Which again bring me back to Calzaghe's mentality. Why, as a money fighter first and foremost, should he take a risky fight against Jones that he wasn't sure he'd win and that most people believed he'd lose for no more, and possibly less, money than he was making taking easy fights with the WBO?

 

You can bull**** yourself all you want if it helps you sleep at night, Joe's meaning was very clear. The answer as to why he should have taken the fight is equally clear. RJJ was the acknowledged best fighter in the world and ultimate ATG superstar. Beating him means everything. You fight Roy for the same reason you fight Floyd Mayweather or Manny Pacquiao, for the potential upside. Joe saw NO possibility of an upside, hence no fight.