*****Video: Sergey Kovalev vs Andre Ward - Post Fight Recap*****

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  1. nervousxtian

    nervousxtian Trolljegeren Full Member

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    Great breakdown Rums.
     
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  2. DoubleJab666

    DoubleJab666 Dot, dot, dot... Full Member

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    Agreed, and I would add, although I know Kovalev is more than a puncher - in fact he is an excellent technician - his whole method is based on knowing his opponent is intimidated by his crushing power, which keeps them away from working inside where he's not so effective and leaves them to try box at range, a range he's expert at closing. But after last night he knows Ward can take his power - and he took it early with most of the fight still to navigate. How would Kovalev deal with executing a refined game plan where he knows his power might not be able to define it? And more's to the point: Ward knows he can take Krusher's best shots too. It will be hard for Kovalev to find a different approach against a inevitably better-prepared Ward.
     
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  3. Cafe

    Cafe Sitzpinkler Full Member

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    Kovalev can come away from this with full confidence though, maybe the nerves got to him now and he played it a bit careful with Ward showing him too much respect, in the next fight it could be very different.
     
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  4. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    Excellent points, particularly the part I added bold to. I hadn't really considered in that light, but it makes perfect sense as you described it.
     
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  5. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    It could definitely be different. I especially think Kovalev can look for ways to counter (or at least deter) Ward's effective body assault. I really think that did a lot more to sap Kovalev's energy level than many seem to be considering.
     
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  6. Cafe

    Cafe Sitzpinkler Full Member

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    Yeah, I'm honestly more intrigued by the potential second fight than the first one. In the first one you had some doubt that you know, Kovalev would get outboxed badly or that Ward couldn't take Kova's power and get bodied early. Ain't the case, it was competitive all the way through (other than the shaky start for Ward).

    The potential adjustments that each guy will make for the second fight is what interests me.
     
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  7. Reg

    Reg Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It's interesting to note that most people who scored it 113-114 for Ward and are open about their scorecard all seem to have a round or two that they disagree on. With it being Rummy and many peoples belief that Kovalev won the 10th or the one judge who thought he won the 12th it just shows how close this match really was. It checked the box on my number one criteria I asked for and that was a close competitive match. Unfortunately the second box which was there being a clear winner wasn't checked. There's a lot of debate and most points on both sides are valid. Time to make like Pacquiao and clear up any doubt in a rematch, and if that's not enough do it again.

    As far as I'm concerned Ward and Kovalev are neck and neck on the p4p list and both outbox anyone 175 and below. Only Kovalev does it with power and aggression making him the more exciting fighter to watch in the process. I'd love Kovalev vs Stevenson if the rematch doesn't happen.
     
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  8. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    Yeah, I suspect Ward will not be trying to counter any Kovalev jabs with right hands, and that he will have a better feel what he needs to do in terms of positioning early on. I think this will give Ward a considerable advantage going into a rematch. BUT... Ward is always going to be vulnerable to that power early, and Kovalev usually finds ways to deliver his power early on (as he did against defensive masters like Hopkins and Ward himself). Will Kovalev want to risk going to the cards again? Or might he try and just get Ward out of there early through sheer aggression, risking a prolonged beating if he overextends himself to the point of being fatigued beyond his ordinary measure?
     
  9. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    Great post. I agree with everything you said, except that I'd personally prefer Ward vs Stevenson if the rematch doesn't happen next.
     
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  10. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    Don't agree here Rummy, you're a huge Ward fanboy, I'm a huge Kovalev fanboy, you gave every possible round you could find to Ward and I gave every possible round I could find to Kovalev.

    My scorecard.
    Round 1 Kovalev 10-9
    Round 2 Kovalev 10-8
    Round 3 Kovalev 10-9
    Round 4 Kovalev 10-9
    Round 5 Kovalev 10-9 Very Close
    Round 6 Kovalev 10-9
    Round 7 Ward 10-9 Close
    Round 8 Ward 10-9 Close
    Round 9 Ward 10-9
    Round 10 Kovalev 10-9
    Round 11 Ward 10-9 Close
    Round 12 Kovalev 10-9 Very Close

    Now if I concede and drop the 5th and 12th which were as close to even as one can get, to Ward, that makes it Kovalev 114-113 and that's the absolute best I can do. The 10th was definitely a Kovalev round and Ward didn't do enough to steal the 3rd.

    Also this is one of the rare occasions where not one but mulitple even rounds should have came into play.
     
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  11. drenlou

    drenlou VIP Member

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    Youre not supposed to be here. Man up and do your 1 month ban.
     
  12. FuMaster

    FuMaster Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Great vid. We agreed on most rounds especially the 3rd which everyone but me at our party gave to Kov. Our score cards differed on the 12th. I gave that to Kov giving him the 1 point victory.

    All these people who tell others they DKSAB then post your own analysis not just scores.
     
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  13. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    I'm not really a Ward fanboy though. :lol:

    I was a Golota fanboy. And I still am a Bernard Hopkins fanboy. I'm a fan of Ward but I'm also a fan of Kovalev. I thought the fight was over after round 2. With Ward being jolted by a jab in the 1st, and being dropped heavy in the 2nd, I was having trouble envisioning him surviving, let alone winning. And I was happy for Kovalev, thinking this was his official coming out party.

    A lot of people say that you can only score the fight for Ward if you give him "every close round", and I reject that premise as an absolute falsehood.

    The rounds I thought were especially close were 3, 4, 5, 6, 10, and I'll throw in 12 too. Of those rounds, I gave Ward 3, 5, and 12, and I gave Kovalev 4, 6, and 10.

    Now I'm sure some people would argue that some of those rounds "weren't close". Or others may argue that some rounds I omitted "were close".

    All of this just reinforces the fact (for me at least) that this was a very tricky fight to score with a lot of close rounds.

    Kovalev definitely did better over the first 6 rounds, but Ward definitely did better over the final 6.

    Hopefully we get a rematch where we have a more decisive outcome, and if we do - Ward either proves himself as the better man, or Kovalev opens the door up for a trilogy. Either way, as a fan of both fighters, and an even bigger fan of seeing the best face the best - these prospects fire me up!

    :smoking:
     
  14. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    I thought Ward did an outstanding job in the 3rd of completely changing the tone of the fight, and the 7th round I thought was the most pivotal round for Ward.
     
  15. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon. Full Member

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    I scored it similar to you for a change, Rummy. CST, as usual, is way off. But I think you throw the word "great" around too loosely at the end. Neither fighter is great yet, just potentially great, and we'll see in the next few years. But this fight was just alright. If it weren't for the caliber of the opponents nobody would give a ****. While I envy your enthusiasm, I don't share it. Ali/Frazier 3 was great. Hagler/Hearns was great. Pryor/Arguello 1 was great. Kovalev vs Ward was acceptable. Don't lower the bar just because we rarely see top level champions facing off in their prime these days.
     
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