*****Video: Sergey Kovalev vs Andre Ward - Post Fight Recap*****

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  1. covetousjuice

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    I basically agree with your analysis, Rummy.

    It's funny though, while I do think you do ksab, when you predicted Ward as the winner I sighed with relief as I knew Kovalev would win. Your analysis is always good quality stuff, but you seem to prefer guys with disadvantages. I don't know why.

    But you got it all correct this time.

    It's a bummer. I don't like Ward at all (I really didn't like that video of him elbowing people so much). And I didn't enjoy the fight.

    Huge respect for Ward's skill though. I believed he was once great, but I couldn't imagine his skill held up after years of doing nothing. Clearly the guy is phenomenal. And I definitely have to admire his guts for stepping up like that.
     
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  2. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    I tend to like tactical chess matches with tactical battles for positioning. I will also add this fight had tension, a great clash of styles, numerous momentum swings, and involved 2 warriors eager to face each other in a day and age where all too often the best do everything they can to avoid a true challenge. These are all things I admire. Maybe I overstated it's degree of greatness in the context of those fights you mentioned. But in the aftermath of the Floyd-Pac era this was a tremendous breath of fresh air.
     
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  3. Bustajay

    Bustajay Feel the Steel/Balls Deep Full Member

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    I like both guys but I ended with 114-113 Krusher and was not sold on my own scorecard.
    Great, epic battle and in the end I was happy. This fight had the potential to go 114-113 for either guy or a dead set draw.
    No robbery and no crying here as that was the best fight I've seen all FKN year.
    Thank you Krusher
    Thank you SOG
    Thank you Rummy and I feel you do KSAB:pesas::aaaaa:
     
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  4. We Are Firemen

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    It seems those who scored it for Ward all had the exact same score 114-113, which I can see but that is giving Ward the benefit of every close round.
     
  5. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    It's not, though! Close rounds - 3, 4, 5, 6, 10, and 12. I gave Ward 3 of those close rounds, and Kovalev the other 3. If I had given Ward every close round, then I'd have had it 117-110 for Ward.

    Of course, some people would argue that some of those rounds weren't close, and some might argue that other rounds I didn't list were close. But all that really goes to show is - THERE WERE A LOT OF CLOSE ROUNDS!

    But I keep seeing people sharing your view, saying the only way you can get 114-113 for Ward is if you "give him all the close rounds". I strongly disagree, and view that as a faulty premise to start with.
     
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  6. Rumsfeld

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    :lol:

    While I appreciate the kind words, I'd politely note that you probably haven't been paying close enough attention. I really DKSAB. I just watch a lot of it, and have a fairly decent memory. But I don't really know much about the art of the sweet science.

    I'm just a guy who likes boxing and has his own worthless opinion, just like anyone else.

    :smoking:
     
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  7. Rumsfeld

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    I have a question for you @CST80 - did you expect Kovalev to try and work the body more against Ward going into this fight? And do you think he may have invested in the body more during the fight if he didn't score the nice 2nd round knockdown?

    This question goes for everyone, too.

    Kovalev sometimes does devastating body work. But other times he tends to go into headhunting mode. Against Ward, I could see the pros and cons of trying a consistent body attack, so I wasn't really sure which way they (Kovalev and JDJ) would go with that. I was still surprised to see Sergey throw so few body shots on the whole. And it's something I think he had success with towards the end when he did launch the rare body shot. This is one area I personally think Kovalev can improve on in a rematch.

    Curious to hear some thoughts.
     
  8. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    Yeah I did and I think he would have, but this is purely subjective speculation on my part, but the rocking in the 1st and the KD in the 2nd was more of a curse than a blessing, it caused Ward to go into panic mode in the 3rd and try to bumrush Kovalev, he basically tried to spear him, thus causing Kovalev who was already weary of Ward's headbutting and elbow throwing issus, since he talked to Byrd before the fight about it. So I think when Ward freaked out and went into mugging mode, Kovalev got off his gameplan and became far more cautious because was more concerned with deflecting Ward's head and elbow than sticking his gameplan. Ward never fully derailed Kovalev, but he did enough to cause Kovalev to alter his mode of attack, just slightly.

    I was expecting him to vary up his attack like he did with Hopkins, a few feints up top to open up the body, a few feints to the body to open up the head, and I was expecting more of a two fisted attack, when he did at times, just not enough, and yeah he should improve on all of the above in the rematch.
     
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  9. Koba

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    Yeah, I think more early body work would have greatly benefited Kovalev but likely he saw the results of his early head-shots and saw that as a way to win the fight. I really do think that he believed he was in control right through the fight. Also I think he may have recognised that going to the body would have opened him up to eye-catching counters to the head from Ward and why take that risk if you're winning already?

    In a rematch, yes, absolutely he should mix it up more, even if it does mean leaving himself open. Effective body work almost always pays dividends in a longer fight and there is no way he can or should count on an early finish, no matter how tempting it may be to try to take it out of the judges hands.
     
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  10. Rumsfeld

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    Yeah, I was wondering if perhaps part of their game plan was to actually neglect the body for that very reason.
     
  11. Rumsfeld

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    He did at times also get away from the jab, I thought, kind of like the first Pascal fight. I think he will try and do a lot of those things you mentioned in the rematch, but one area where I honestly believe Kovalev will have more trouble in the return bout is with the range. Early in this fight Kovalev was finding his distance, but he had more and more trouble with this it seemed as the fight moved along.

    That's where I think Ward learned the most of either fighter in this bout personally.

    But all the same, Kovalev adding body shots into the mix in a more measured manner could prove interesting.