Video - Vasyl Lomachenko - The new P4P King?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Rumsfeld, Dec 11, 2017.


  1. Birmingham

    Birmingham Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Real power moves ?? Is that beating someone that you don't think he'll beat then drop another name in another weight division, and keep going until you get the result you want ?
     
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  2. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    I don't give a **** what you do, because I'm not YOU GUYS, I'm not part of a collective you bigot, I'm Chris, I'm an individual human being. Try to remember that, I don't speak, think or answer like or for any other white person you're at constant war with on this site.

    I dislike Rigo, but I've never criticized the man's skill set, even though I rooted against him every time he fought, there's a difference between disliking someone, and not recognizing his talent. A line that seem to get all mixed up in your head all the time.

    And if you want to start talking about dragging guys up or draining them, don't, Money May did his fair share, you're backing yourself into a corner. Everyone Loma has faced is right in the vicinity of FW or SFW, its 4 ****ing pounds. And if you want to go there, his one loss is against a ****ing rehydrated Welterweight who missed weight 4 divisions higher.

    Crawford's success is mainly due to matchmaking as well. He's fought 3 guys that had close to the tools to beat him Gamboa, Diaz and Postol, that's it. Molina, Lundy, Dulorme, Burns, Jean, Beltran, Klimov are trash skillwise, in a **** division, they're the equivalent of Gavin, Dan, Bizier type wins. Sosa, Marriaga, Gammy, Rocky type wins.
     
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  3. khaosai galaxi

    khaosai galaxi Superbad Full Member

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    Crawford being undisputed is great but doesn't mean a thing.
    Loma could have easily unify 130.
    His true challenge is Garcia and linares at lightweight.
    Same as Crawford to tango with Thurman or spence.
    I wouldn't argue who's no 1 or 2. But I think Loma skill is otherworldly, Crawford is not.
     
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  4. TheyDontBoxNoMore7

    TheyDontBoxNoMore7 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Crawford being undisputed>Arum’s favorable matchmaking for Loma period.

    When a guy doesn’t allow that bs to effect him I.e Salido. It spells “L” for your boy period. Bob starving out guys then forcing them low-ball figures and accept the shortest ends of a stick isn’t impressive. Getting your face busted by a guy coming off an L and moving up a weight division
    while you’re showboating only to get sidelined by HOF nfl stuff. Not impressive.

    You predicted L’s for Crawford and it did not work out Christopher or should I call you Christy lmao

    Deal with it.
     
  5. TheyDontBoxNoMore7

    TheyDontBoxNoMore7 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    How about not lose to a cherry pick gone wrong like Salido. Next.
     
  6. BCS8

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    Fighting for a world title on YOUR SECOND PRO FIGHT is a "cherry pick"?

    GTFOH you clown.
     
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  7. navigator

    navigator "Billy Graham? He's my man." banned Full Member

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    I mean, I'm not saying I agree with Bud at #1. I really don't care to argue the #1 slot when P4P is so up for grabs right now and the pool is so shallow. For that matter, I'm liable to defy pretty much everyone and install Kovalev as the Picasso, given that his destructive run was topped by a feat nobody else on the list has anything worthy of compare to (and that's fighting on highly even terms with an ATG for nineteen rounds, something nobody else was ever able to come close to doing with said ATG).

    However, when Guy #1 bops Guy #2 in the eye and the eye gets injured, Guy #1 caused the injury. I tend to give credit for that, rather than deduct it. And I'll also take Gamboa over Nic Walters, whose claim to fame was bullying and bludgeoning an undersized Armenian (whose jock he isn't fit to carry P4P) and a similarly blown-up Nonito - I've never been predisposed to go to bat for Yuri, but he came ready to put it all on the line and let his punches go, brought his foot and handspeed and a good variety of feints to the party, all of which Crawford should get a degree of credit for solving technically before switching to Bully Bud and taking the smaller man out with the appropriate degree of ruthless aplomb, whereas Walters' style was never a good one to test Loma to begin with, being that of a boxer puncher too limited and deliberate to avoid being turned and popped in the center of the ring all night, much less in such unmotivated form.

    Instead of bigging up Walters, the one I'd think to mention as the most creditable thing on Loma's record after the GRJ win is nailing PR Rocky to the canvas with that blazing headshot combo. He was long in the tooth and never more than a solid contender in his pomp, but Martinez is a competitor, has zero quit in him, and the only time he'd ever previously been kept down was on the end of a crippling bodyshot after a thrashing from Garcia. I think the way in which Loma did it adds up to a pretty darn creditable result for a guy who isn't known as a banger.
     
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  8. TheyDontBoxNoMore7

    TheyDontBoxNoMore7 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Salido was a cherry pick gone wrong. It was for a vacant strap as well dummy and why is it Loma only has WBO belts. The stupid belt remained vacant after that fight lmao

    Yes, it was a fight to set up Lomachenko with a belt with a guy who wasn’t even ranked top 5 in the division.
     
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  9. FastSmith7

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    Loma has better wins than any of Crawfords. Yes, Crawford unifed the belts but in a terrible division
     
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  10. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    Crawford's entire career has been based around careful matchmaking by Arum, what actual stylistic challenge has he had?

    I don't dickride fighters with perfect records like you don't you mental defective obsessed casual fanboy. Like I said before take all those perfect 0's and stick them up your ass. It doesn't mean a damn thing to me. That much should be obvious to most on here by now. And for the record, I picked Salido to beat him, because you know.... the second fight of someone's pro career shouldn't be that risky, and was NOT a cherry pick, what the **** is wrong with you... you demented **** for brains? That being said, he passed the test with flying colors, I thought he was going to get KO'd but he ended it by nearly KOing Salido. So there's zero shame to be had with that L IMO, lucky for you the American judges were more favorable to Mayweather, otherwise, he'd have picked up an L in his 27th match, against a fighter not all that dissimilar from Salido, now that **** is just sad.:lol: And that was a legit loss, unlike the 6-6 type loss for Loma.

    Yeah I predict L's for guys I root against way too much on this site. Oh you really got me there..... no ****ing ****. I don't really care. Unlike you, I don't give a **** if I take a loss or not, because its just picking a guy to win, who cares, I'm not a weirdo that thinks that actually means something like you. Get your ass up there and take me on if you think IDKSAB, but no, you won't do that will you? *****.

    My name is Christian, not Christopher dickhead. And strange, you seem far more obsessed with gay **** than the guy you're implying is gay. That should tell you something right there.
     
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  11. TheyDontBoxNoMore7

    TheyDontBoxNoMore7 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Nope. Crawford has all belts. Not just WBO with favorable matchmaking of guys who aren’t even ranked top 5 in the division.
     
  12. TheyDontBoxNoMore7

    TheyDontBoxNoMore7 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Well you watch shemale porn or am I making this up? In my book, that’s Kov mad peculiar. Back to boxing though, Crawford has all belts. Not just specifically WBO belts which is basically limited to top rank.
     
  13. FastSmith7

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    I know but Crawfords biggest wins are Gamboa and Indongo who have done nothing, Gamboa is decent and Indongo got a fluke KO over a russian hypejob. I rate Crawford for unifying the belts but if not for that he wouldn't be in my top 5 p4p. He will get battered at 147. Lomachenko got better wins than any of Crawfords in Walters, GRJ and Rigondeaux
     
  14. BCS8

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    You're really pretty ... how to put it kindly ... impervious to facts if you can say that with a straight face and believe it.

    IT'S HIS SECOND FIGHT!

    There ARE no cherrypicks when you're two fights in. The guy with 1 fight IS the cherrypick. Most guys are fighting complete losers 2 fights in, nevermind a guy like Salido (41-12-2) who is a dangerous fighter for an experienced pro.

    Let's state it openly:

    Crawford on his second fight fought THIS guy:

    http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/287701

    :risas3::risas3::risas3::risas3::risas3:

    Now go wipe the egg off your face.
     
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  15. CST80

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    Well you clearly watch gay porn, otherwise how do you know they have no production value? As far as I go... I say all kinds of **** I love ****ing with insecure homophobic uptight douchebags like you, Mr. Crybaby SJW, for someone so concerned with the plight of every group under the sun, you sure do seem to harbor a hell of a lot of resentment towards the LGBT community don't you? Hypocrite.
     
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