Video - Who wins? Joshua vs Wilder

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  1. Zakman

    Zakman ESB's Chinchecker Full Member

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    Joshua scores an early KO. I hate to say it Rummy, but you're overrated Wilder, as are many off this Ortiz fight. People need to remember Wilder's struggles with second- and third-raters like Szpilka, Duhaupas, Molina, etc. - not to mention his visits to the canvas against utter stiffs like Nichols and Sconiers!

    And, as you yourself mention, Wilder was LOSING against overrated high blood pressure sufferer Luis Ortiz! Should they fight, the difference in class will tell, and Joshua will expose his fragile whiskers for all to see and annihilate him early. Wilder is both a fraud and a joke, just waiting to be exposed.
     
  2. DoubleJab666

    DoubleJab666 Dot, dot, dot... Full Member

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    Wilder's windmills - although aesthetically displeasing - might be the key to his chances of victory. Joshua has such a manufactured style and sound fundamentals, which deal well with opponents who follow the orthodox script. But power punches from crazy and unpredictable angles? Doesn't dealing with that require good natural and lateral movement not robotic repeatable moves? Wilder's technical flaws expose Joshua's own limitations perfectly.

    That said, I think we can all agree whenever the fight ends, AJ will be up on the cards and 'winning' the fight. Wilder has one route to victory, Joshua has two.
     
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  3. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    Great work as usual! A great fight for sure a true clash of styles.
     
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  4. The Clan

    The Clan Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I think Wilder will jump straight off the stool in round 1 and come out swinging looking to overwhelm Joshua and make a statement to the world with a 1st round KO!

    There’s more method in that tan it first seems and it just might work! If Wilder comes out cautious and tries to box behind his jab he’ll get beaten to the jab and Joshua is fundamentally better at building attacks and working an opening. From Wilders point of view why would you Box Joshua’s fight for 5 rounds before throwing caution out of the window and taking a chance, he might as well go for it from the first second.
     
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  5. lewis gassed

    lewis gassed The Bronze Dosser Full Member

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    Good video, but I'd disagree on a few things.
    Wilder does not have a great jab, if you get out-jabbed by Duhaupas and Washington then it's no good.
    Wilder is more athletic than AJ? He has really poor footwork, really poor balance, bad hand-eye coordination. Wilder is a fantastic athlete compared to a regular person off the street but he's average at best compared to other professional athletes. There's a video of AJ running 11 sec 0-100 meters. He's an incredible athlete.

    I think you also mentioned something about Wilder taking chances or jumping into action early. Well I've never seen that, in fact he's always cautious early rounds. That's why his 'battles' with Molina, Ortiz, Duhaupas has gone for 9+ rounds. These are the dudes he would have gotten out early if he was some killer and liked to start off fast and take risks.

    Against AJ he will absolutely terrified and will throw nothing but cautious jabs the first few rounds.

    With that said it's a great fight for the division and I'd like to see it ASAP, ideally this summer. I'm not the one who wants AJ to face Miller first etc. AJ and Wilder need to fight this summer. They are both relatively young and can have a rematch next year.
     
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  6. sauhund II

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    If a ancient ultimate safety fighter first WK can land a right on AJ, so will Wilder.............and Wilder will not let AJ off the hook afterwards, guaranteed.

    Wilder will land his money punch and AJ aint taking it, you can bank on it.

    Maybe some of you casuals learn a little and re watch the Ortiz fight without sound......Wilder hurt Ortiz almost every time he touched him thru the fight...............Monster punchers are born not manufactured and Wilder for all his faults has a keen eye, way underrated Ring IQ and is a a born bonafide one punch KO artist, no doubt.

    AJ is stiff as a board with zero head movement and IMO, a mediocre at best Ring IQ.........I predict he will walk into Wilders right midway thru the fight and that will be that.
     
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  7. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    Wilder does have a great jab when he doesn't neglect to use it, he has fallen in love with his power so he doesn't use it as much because he's looking for the one hitta quitta, but he will have to use it against AJ. When he does it comes fast and hard. Also Wilder is a much better athlete than AJ he has better reflexes and is faster.
     
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  8. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    Am I overrating Wilder? Or are you overrating Joshua?

    :smoking:
     
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  9. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    Fair enough. I don't think Wilder has an amazing jab or anything like that. I *think* I described their jabs as "very good" (both for Wilder and Joshua). If I said "great" I misspoke in the moment, because I don't think either of them have "great" jabs in the mold of Larry Holmes or Lennox Lewis. But with Wilder, I do think he has a jab that he makes work for him, and he does often hide his right hand well behind it. AJ has the type of jab that control the action for long stretches so I do believe his jab is better than Wilder's.

    And I do believe that Wilder is a better overall all around athlete than AJ. He does have poor balance and lacks fundamentals, but I still think in terms of pure athleticism, that Wilder has greater fluidity and is less mechanical and faster than AJ. I could be wrong on that, but this is definitely the impression I get watching them both fight.

    Regarding Wilder taking more chances - it seems to me that sooner or later at some point during his fights, Wilder always presses the attack - regardless of whether or not he SHOULD. AJ is more disciplined and focused, and more aware of strategic planning within an evolving game plan over the course of a fight. He reminds me of Wlad in the sense that he doesn't like to throw/attack/fully commit, unless he has a certain level of confidence that he will land something or set something up. Wilder is more apt to throw caution to the wind and attack for the sake of attacking.

    All of that said, that's just my take and I agree with the spirit of much of what you're saying here, and I too hope it happens in the summer, as I believe we could see an awesome trilogy in the making (or at the very least, a 2 fight series that will be awesome for fans).
     
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  10. madballster

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    IMO the situation is as follows: If Wilder makes no mistakes, AJ still wins. If AJ makes mistakes, Wilder wins. If AJ makes no mistakes, Wilder has no chance.
     
  11. The Long Count

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    I had Aj by early Ko up until the Parker fight. He is just so robotic sometimes it’s given me pause. Still I think his class will show and he’ll Ko Wilder.
     
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  12. Zakman

    Zakman ESB's Chinchecker Full Member

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    Joshua doesn't have to be as good as I think he is to beat Wilder. Wilder is limited, glass jawed, and his power is WAY overrated. If Joshua is half as good as I think he is, he will still beat the bum-buster.
     
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  13. ellerbe

    ellerbe Loyal Member Full Member

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    I guarantee you that Wilder win. My confidence in this prediction is between my Pac/Mayweather pick and my Kovalev/Ward pick.
     
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  14. mirkofilipovic

    mirkofilipovic ESB Management Full Member

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    Wilder just seems so uncoordinated, his power is meaningless if he cant stabilize himself without looking like a sentient windmill with spastic tendencies.
     
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  15. Rumsfeld

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    I never thought of him as being physically uncoordinated. I think it's more a lack of skills, technique, and fundamentals, and not so much a lack of actual coordination. But I get what you're getting at.
     
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