I know i'm not the only guy on here who's a fan of the man and Arnie as well. Both been class acts on here and really taken time to benefit the boards with there thoughts. I seen posts before slagging fighters off after displays and especially guys like Tony who post on here. This isn't a thread to slag them off. I'm just looking for constructive thoughts. Tony probs won't read but i'm into technical aspects of sport and we have a fair few good analyst's amongst forum and i'd be interested to see there thought's on a fighter with clearly a fair few things going for him along with a few things' that hinder him. As a fan i'm worried about Tony. I see something in the lad but i think there's a lot of negative's to go with the very big positives. Negative's Mental Side -I think Tony was anticipating a little to much and was expecting rather then reacting early on. I think Tony was thinking about his work to much rather then just doing his thing. After the knockdown's i saw a different Tony. Ok still getting hit but wasn't hesitant, Wasn't over thinking. I don't know if the Ajisafe had a bearing on Tony early on. Maybe Tony was trying to thinking a bit more because he didn't last time but he doesn't need to over think he just needs to know go to work and relax and let it flow. You know you have to use jab. After the knockdown's Tony got up effing and blinding at himself . You gotta love that. Most would be doing Trevor Berbick impressions but he bounces up and shakes head. It's great to see a fighter accept he's doing things wrong but Tony your winding self up to much. You know what your doing wrong which is positive mate. We all make Mistakes but you know once you get wound up your work goes to pot. Just do what you see, and see what you do. Defence The low left hand caused you problems early. I'm not going to say you got to get it up because i respect why you have it low at times. I think early doors he wasn't reacting but anticipating to much and was reading his movements wrong. I think he'd be best suited to getting the left up early doors and keeping behind jab. The shoulder roll at times works really well but i think it's a case of learning when to use it and where. Sometimes you did it and Ovil would step round and he'd rise back up and luckily he never followed up. As the fight wore on it looked better and better. I think it's just consistency and i like to see him parry a bit more and take on gloves a bit more. Add bit more variety. I definatley think defensive drilling is in order because it's not his chin that get's him floored. It's the fact he's not seeing punches coming and we all know there the worst. JAB I think with his range and height i'd like to see him keep fight at range and work the jab and make it more precise and change the levels more. Work it to head and body and please hook off your jab Tony! Because if he did i think you'd of walked Ovil onto your right hand a lot more. Positives Champions' heart That second knockdown was so heavy. I knew Tony would come back but it would of sparked most men. The way he walked through his shot and showed him that he wouldn't be denied has to be commended. He also went to work and started to win rounds like a champion. Didn't panic just broke man down and showed he does have a brain to go with power. Punches Power and at times technically your so crisp. The left hook....**** off!!! Text book stuff, a beauty. But during fight you get a little ragged with shots. Maybe bit power crazy. Tony if you refine your punch technique your going to be very hard to stop. Gerald McClellan Is you! :good....man worked at range. Changed head to body and took guys out. Inside Work For a tall guy i think your pretty good on the inside. On ropes he came at you and you rip to body, dipped knees rolled under and hooked with left and turned him. Classy stuff. I think if you stay patient you can work at range. Step in behind your work and keep the heat on. Plus with your shoulder roll you can lean away roll back with a right hand. All in all i think Tony can have a good break and then i'd like to see him work on defence moves and repetitions for a while. Work on refining punches to make them more crisp and precise. It's consistency with Tony. I think Tony's at a crossroads. As a fan i'm worried if he doesn't do the above he will lose title and not go on to what i believe he should and that's world titles. I really do see talent in the lad. Tonight in adversity i saw a guy who produces his best work. Light Heavy or Cruiser?.......maybe the later for me....lads any thoughts? Your Thought's on Bomber :bbb
Quality post mate, very insightful mand All i can say is that i was confident of Clev beating him 1 year ago, and i am even more confident now. I was pelted before for my beliefs, and now i feel i should get respect for my opinion. Bellew can be a good fighter, but he has to step up in weight and get in better shape. he is 28 years old and he needs to get a move on. IMHO i believe he will get sparked and fade away abit and become somewhat of a lovable solid domestic fighter who never achieved world honours, i.e danny williams and jon thaxton
Think that's a lot due to him getting wound up and he starts fuming about anything. He's probably moan if someone farted in crowd. He just wants to win so bad. He does need to stop that even though i think Ovil was cracking him to back of head your right.
:good Cheers Pal I worry that your right. He's going to be entertaining while he's around that's for sure.
Yep, that is a good point also, he seems to love a whinge and have a say. As mand has said, he seems to get anxious and agitated. Needs to calm down and settle more into the fight and just get on with his work
I like Bellew, reminds me of Carl Thompson but he has a lot to learn, he's too easy to hit, hiis balance seems off and he needs better shot selection, i wonder what Farnell is teaching him because he was a bit of a joke between rounds, Bellew needed instruction not some bull**** about having the belt for Christmas.
I think having watched all Bellew's fights except for this one, its mostly a need for a method that strikes me. We can analzye everything technically until we're blue in the face but first things first they've got to find a method that they're going to use that respects better opponents and respects the fact he might not score a KO with the first punch that lands or even early in the fight. We were saying something similar post-Ajisafe, and it sounds like they still have not quite got it right. At the moment its all very off the cuff. He's kind of fighting in a very primitive way, it reminds me of when he talks about in boxing you go in there and smash people in the face, which is true on the surface of it, but its beneath the surface that there should be a very firm methodology behind what produces a performance which will allow him to do that in an impressive manner.
I think you pretty much summed it up well yourself mate. He needs to either move up or work on his condition so he can take shots better at light heavyweight. He's got enough heart and composure to get up again but it doesn't look like he's gonna ever be on solid legs if they're as thin as they were tonight. Another thing I think is that we shouldn't be looking too much on his last two fights. Ajisafe and McKenzie are known for making their opponents look bad so style wise, they were always gonna be tough for Bellew at any time. He's got to do more work to get his shots away rather than just relying on his power. Power is only relevant if you can land well enough for it to do damage. At the moment, it's doing nothing and is more of a hindrance to Tony. He's got to get a better defence and start using his jab to get in close to his opponents. At the moment, he'd just be target practice for any above average boxer at light heavy.
I gave my views on another thread but can't find it now :fire Can't be bothered to type it all again.
Two fantastic posts. I think TFFP your hit a good point. He's not going in with a tactical plan by looks. You need to be aware of your opponents strength's and weaknesses and apply the plan and it would work wonders. Roe your right the guys he's fought are awkward and dangerous and i think he get's stick for fighting guys no one else wanted to.
Keep him busy, he needs to be kept busy and for now I think Tony needs to be kept on low scale events. Just to see if it is a temperament problem or if there are inherent problems with him as a fighter. I personally feel that the problems lay with the latter, at least I hope they are.
He always strikes me as a student of the game that's what baffles me a bit....i know punches are a different breed but i'd love for him to apply pressure behind jab and pick his shots and revert to basics early. Then slide into the more advanced skills later into a fight.
There ain't much in Britain for Tony, thats a big problem. No depth in this division. He's fought two of the best guys really. Perhaps they should look at who Clev has fought. That Brancalion fella. He'd be the ideal opponet for Tony. He was a straight up boxer, thats the type I see Tony excelling against. There to be hit, not too much speed or evasiveness. It would be good for the confidence after a couple of shakey performances and also a step up on paper. That aside, he's got to find a way to put together a cohesive performance. They need to find a method. He has a jab. He's not without a jab, where the fook is it? They need to start using it regularly, as a measuring tool, and as a weapon, as a way of getting into a fight without early mishaps. That would be #1 on my list of how to put together a method for Bellew. You can't do **** in this game without a solid jab unless you're some type of mover/counterpuncher which Tony certainly ain't.