Vintage 147 Montreal Duran vs. PBF. Who and how?

Answer CLINTONS question will yer & stop ducking

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I didn't even see the response to me. How do you guys know if someone responds to you on these posts? Do you have an alert? I answered that question in a rather indirect way. No Kirkland would not have beaten Montreal Duran, but I think Benitez would have. Does that answer you? Benitez had the answer to Duran, and like I said, Leonard gave people the blueprint on how to fight Duran as well as Hagler how to fight Hearns. Doesn't mean everyone can do it, but the instant Duran quit that fight his losses were going to be easier to get. Duran was bigger than Chavez. A much bigger man regardless of measurements. Duran in recent years was up to probably 250 260,, now he is down to what looks like 180 or 170..

 

I must add Hearns didn't look as great at 175 as 160, but in my mind he fought Virgil Hill great and beat him.. Undefeated fighter who had 10 title defenses.. and later another 15 at light heavy and cruiserweight.

 

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you want response to this? Funny. Thank you . The only way I know if someone responded to me is I go back to the threads I posted in, but sometimes I forget the ones I posted in since there might be 10 of them. My point was Benitez would always beat Duran. The mention of Kirkland Laing does not mean Benitez win over Duran was not legit. Duran trained and could have won a title. Wilfred even outfought him on the inside with speed.

 

This is true. Fighting the top guys will wear most fighters out. After Hagler fought Hearns, it seemed to diminish him more if not for the wear and tear for the emotional high he could never reach again.

 

Realistically duran and leonard are 1-1 would be interesting had there been a pro red light.

 

One weapon that Duran had was a sneaky and wicked righthand lead. He knew how to time guys. Mayweather being a fighter that doesnt move that much he would be in range for that shot. He can roll with some of them but not all of them.

Then ofcourse there is the body. If Floyd were to lean away and go to the ropes he would be giving Hands of Stone his body to tee off on. Not a good idea. He`s not going to slow down like Cotto and he`s not going to lead with his face like Hatton. He doenst have to.:bbb

Remember Ray Leonard was bigger, faster and stronger than Mayweather yet he felt like the best way to beat Duran was to run around the ring and stay out of the pocket.

 

Maybe.

He was a great fighter and he had the right style and mentality to always give Duran problems. I dont dismiss his win over Duran in 1982. It was a great win against the best possible Duran at that time. Roberto was in shape. At least physically. He was in the best possible shape he could get in at that time.

Benitez was just the better man that night.

I dont know that Mayweather could handle Benitez. I doubt it. Were talking about an elite Welterweight/JRM era.

 

You;re more up on high tech than me MAG as i can't even understand the search button. NO one back then expected Roberto to beat Benitez not even me. Roberto's fighting a young elite phenom of 23 at a weight & age that was all stacked up against Duran regardless of blind revisionist dogma.

 

Well, originally he thought he was going to beat him at his own game. Didn't Dundee predict a KO within four rounds? Oh, Angelo. :rofl The thing about this particular Duran is that the animal who showed up was almost exclusively for Ray Leonard and the true vitriol Duran felt for him. Likely an unspeakable amount of adrenaline; he just wasn't going to be hurt even when Leonard was sitting down and getting leverage on his shots, and he was superbly conditioned to close distance even if Leonard wanted to get on his bike. I've got jokes for Duran, but to not give him full credit for forcing Leonard into that war both physically and mentally is absolutely ridiculous.

It's amazing Duran is still categorized by some as a relentless, unintelligent brawling type. Maybe circa Buchanon. It wasn't very long before his pressure became scientific with mastery of feints, slipping, counters, nimble effective footwork within the trenches that kept him in position to do damage. Getting caught along the ropes by him had to be a horrific experience.

 

I always thought Benitez win against Duran was so complete he could have beaten Duran at 147.. 140? Probably not. Wilfred got better as he went to 147. I actually think he fought almost his best at 154.

I always loved Benitez style and skills. I never saw Hearns miss with a bodyshot until he fought Benitez. Hearns threw a jab a right a jab and a bodypunch at one point and they all missed when Benitez was against the ropes. I don't know how he did that. Floyd does the shoulder roll and blocks with his shoulder and turning and bending to his right to be a smaller target. But Wilfred just ducked and avoided all the punches by sensing the punche, and that was against Hearns!

 

I am not too great at search button that is for sure. How I sometimes find a response is I go to my profile and it shows which threads I posted on under I think statistics, and it takes me to the spot where I did, then I just looked after my post and see who responded. But sometimes I forget to do that. A lot of time I look and not one responds, so later I don't assuming no one responded.

Wilfred won his 140 pound title in I think 1976. only 5 pounds and 4 years after Duran did. Not saying they are the same age, but Wilfred was not that far off of Duran's weight and title win. Really Duran losing to Wilfred was no real insult on him. Wilfred was fighting great at 154. I honestly believe had Ray Leonard fought Wilfred in 1982 when Duran or Hearns did, he might have been outboxed. What won the fight for Hearns is his jab and speed, but he did not beat up Wilfred at all.
I never said Duran was not great. What I say is when Hearns,Benitez,Leonard beat him he was still Duran, maybe older but still a champion. The excuses are what make me discuss him. Losing to those guys is no insult. Hearns lost to Marvin and Ray, which then does hurt Hearns in the ATG category.

 

Duran's right hand was one of his most underrated punches. I saw him drop guys at 168 with that punch. It was hard. And he did hit Tommy with it when he was against the ropes, but Tommy was tensed up so it didn't have the effect it might have if Tommy were tired. But I always said Duran was not this little guy moving up. He could punch with anyone. When he fought Pazienza and Camacho when he got much older, he still looked much bigger than those two guys. When he fought Barkley in 1989. I knew with his skill and speed and Barkley not having much speed, that Duran would win with no problem. He would be in Duran's range and that means within Duran's magic. You cannot give Duran his sweet spot of he eats guys up. Hearns, Benitez,Leonard did not. Hagler almost did, but he was so strong at middleweight that his jab and activity won him the fight down the stretch.

 

What,you don't check your posts on threads that you frequent?Then how do you respond to them at later times on the same thread?So you believe that Montreal Duran beats Laing?Why?You always write that Duran wasn't past it at 154 and was naturally at that weight.So,how do you explain YOUR opinion that Montreal Duran beats Laing even though what happened was that Benitez Duran(only 8 months separate those 2 fights) lost to Laing?How did that happen if according to you,Duran was still close to prime at 154 and naturally at that weight when you're of the opinion that 154 was a suitable weight for prime Duran?And no,Duran did not end up bigger than Chavez.He ended up FATTER than Chavez.Was Duran's body as tight and muscular at 154 and 160 as it was at lightweight and welter?