Virgil Hunter discusses Andre Ward vs. Joe Calzaghe

Broken hands are part of boxing you moron and since he broke his hand punching his opponent it is what it is and can happen.

Anyhow like you said who has the more "respectable skills" is all that determines the outcome when fighters fight.

Still can't believe you asked for examples of fights when this was not the case

 

That affected his stamina how? He was throwing the left hand throughout. Calzaghe fought with hand problems plenty of times

Calzaghe-Ward is a close fight, and if you feel Ward wins then fair enough, but the way you're so dismissive of Calzaghe's chances as though Ward is unbeatable is unfair.

 

I didn't want to be as rude but since you insist - your question was so stupid that i couldn't bring myself to give you examples.

Like i said there are loads of fights when the less skilled fighter prevails and i suggested you look them up just so you can realise for yourself what a hideously foolish statement you madeatsch:hi:

 

How's it a bad comparison? It's actually very fitting, because Calzaghe's Eubank was in fact just as bad as Dawson. Eubank had to take the fight on a week and a half's notice whilst he was preparing for a light heavyweight bout. So at the very last minute he's told he's gotta' go another division down despite having outgrown it (as evident by him going up to cruiser immediately for his remaining fights). He was also, as you've pointed out, clearly past his best.

Dawson on the other end was still in and around his prime, and had a whole camp to work his way down to 168. Not no last minute thing.

Both were in poor condition. I don't think you can look one over the other. Although I personally think Dawson, being still more or less prime, was the harder foe.

 

You're pretty stupid aren't you. In terms of a Ward/Calzaghe fight it would determine Ward the winner in my view , i already stated it wasn't the case for all fights. I just asked you for One example since you made the point but it seems to of rattled you to the point of anger.

 

like i said eubank was far from his best but i still stand by the fact that he wasn't as bad as Dawson. I agree both were in bad condition but just because dawson is supposedly in his prime doesn't escape from the fact that he was a walking corpse who had been beaten up by his sparring partners. Eubank on the other hand, whilst not at his best put up a decent fight all things considered. Don't remember him being hurt by jabs and he certainly wasn't a walking knockout against slappy.

 

you have to be kidding me. Eubank was semi retired and looking for an extra pay cheque when he accepted Cal fight with days to spare. He wasnt interested in winning, he just turned up for money. He'd gone from SMW to LHW and then was forced to drop to SMW with days to spare. Thats much worse than a progressive weight loss over months of training back to his old SMW limit that Chad made. Eubank was going to lose that day whatever happened - he certainly wasnt going to keep the title even if he won, it was old ground for him.

Chad had everything to gain, he was motivated. He was there to win.

But yes, I agree that Eubie even half retired and uninterested in winning is still a tough guy to face in the ring, he was like that. But Eubank wasnt there to win, and that made it a lot easier for Joe to actually win, but tough in the sense that Eubank didnt just stand there andsoak it up, he gave as good as he got, being the bullish ***** that he is. Prime motivated Eubank would probably have beaten up Joe, tbf.

 

Why not actually go and watch the Calzaghe-Eubank fight? Eubank put on a very tough performance and received plenty of praise from Calzaghe, the commentators, media and the fans. Dawson on the other hand, was just awful, offered nothing and got stopped by a fighter who's considered pillow fisted.

The Eubank that Joe fought would KO the Dawson that Ward fought.

He went up to CW cause he was offered a lot of money, and he certainly wasn't a natural cruiser at all, he weighed in fully clothed with full pockets to add extra weight. Eubank today, at 46 years old weighs less than 175.

 

Really? thats funny cos alls i remember is you asking me when it wasn't the case when i suggested skills is not all that matters?

As above i see no words that suggest you said that not all fights panned out the way you suggested they would.

So tell me where do you state that it wasn't the case for all fights?

and i am stupidatsch

 

Calzaghe lost to an old Hopkins, as if he is going to challenge a prime Ward.

JC Vs Froch is probably more where Joe was at.

Both are easy work for Ward.

 

I agree with you to an extent but regardless of Dawson wanting to win his body was not able to back up his claims. And lets be fair chad can be a mental midget at times so i do question his will to win. whereas eubank was has hard as nails even late on not at his best.

 

:good spot on.

infact i saw eubank at debden station Essex just after eubank jnr had sparred degale. Eubank senior looks remarkable for his years.

 

Another one using the version of Joe against hopkins as an example.

By this logic we are comparing a calzaghe in the twilight of his career at basically 175lb against a prime ward at 168lbatsch

 

Is calzaghe the only guy ever to make hopkins look bad since a prime RJJ ? hopkins made calzaghe look bad too but it works both ways I have never seen anyone else produce such a poor performance from hopkins discounting the dawson vs hopkins farce I guess

 

joe would a won