Vitali-AT LEAST in the top 3 highest KO percentages in history for a heavyweight.

Ludicrous or not, I've actually read respected writers on other sites saying exactly that. That fighters will duck their heads to take those guys punches in the forehead or top of the head to try and damage their hands.

Would I do it? **** no. But I have seriously read that before.

Was Sanders old, and coming of just one good win in years? Yes/No.
Was Johnson really, really fat? Yes/No.


Lewis is superior to Rahman too, but he still lost to him. Loads of guys lose to guys they shouldn't, that's boxing.

Did Byrd get lucky? Yep, he sure did. But he won. End of story.
And being able to last a full fight is a major part in boxing.

 

That is the best I have ever seen a Klitscho. Against Hide. Hide from that fight would beat any current HW imo. outside of Wlad.... and that would be an even fight than Wlad might loose.

 

Slight difference.

Sanders KO'd Wlad by landing on his chin with considerable impact, several times.

i.e. SANDERS knocked Wlad out.


Lewis TKO'd Vitali by landing on his eye with a slicing shot. He followed up by landing on it some more, till, in your poetic description, it looked like a used tampon.

i.e. LENNOX stopped Vitali on cuts.


Vitali out-pointed Chris for most of the fight. Near the end he tore his shoulder and withdrew.

i.e. VITALI injured himself

Note the diference. VITALI injured himself.


(Unless you buy into Drexl's theory that the shoulder injury was Byrd's strategy from the beginning and he was willing to take an eight round clobbering because he knew that sooner or later Vitali would injure himself.)

 

How many times must you be told that it was NOT Byrd's strategy to injure Vitali's shoulder, but it is ALWAYS his strategy to make the opponent miss and swat punches away.

The fact that this led to Vitali pussying out was a bonus, but NOT lucky. Byrd used the tactics on purpose. the outcome was unexpected but the FACT is that the way Byrd fought DIRECTLY led to the injury.

....unless you are saying Vitali missed on purpose....?

 

I already answered that.

:deal

Why don't you try reading next time?

 

Rotator cuff injuries hurt, but a champ would have made it through the last couple rounds if they truly had the fight in the bag. I have a torn rotator cuff RIGHT NOW. It's not a complate tear, but it painfull to make any motion that involves my arm being raised over my shoulder. I played catch yeserday with my kid. I threw side arm.

My point is that, I, just a regular dude who admittedly has a high pain treshold, but still just a regular dude can do some athletic stuff with a rotator cuff tear that's going to require surgury. With all that was on the line, why could Vitaly just stink it out and make it out of the fight? If the rotator cuff was a worthy excuse for quitting, then it would be a worthy excuse of giving up the last rounds just covering up and fighting one handed... right?

Watch the fight again. I think you're wrong about "Byrd couldn't knock him out with a bat." Byrd clocked him good toward the end of the round, and he looked like he was ready to call it quits. He hurt his shoulder, and realized he might have to go through some pain for the win and quit. I like my fighters a little tougher than someone willing to give up a major fight because he's scared of getting hit by Chris Byrd for a couple rounds. Of course, if I'm wrong and Byrd was completely incapable of hurting him, that just makes him a bigger puss for quitting.

I've NEVER seen what makes Vitali so great. Wlad has actually done tons more in the ring, even with his defeats. Vitali's biggest "win" was a TKO loss due to having his head split open BY A PUNCH (which makes it a KO. Punch damage=inability to fight)! As champ his big title defense was against a completely fat bloated Kirk Johnson... AFTER being to injured to fight Rahman. Then he bailed out of a couple fights and retired. OH! And he got the title from a dude who was a semi-retired boxer/full time golf pro who wasn't supposed to end up with the title.

Yeah, Sanders had a hell of a left hand. Kirk Johnson USED to be considered dangerous, and Vitali was standing in with the dominant heavyweight of the late 90's/early 2000's. That is a good START. It doesn't create a hall of fame mystique. Vitali has done exactly as much as any of the other faceless title holders now... actually less than Wlad, and Ibragimoc/Chagaev are unifying in a high risk fight for both of them. ****. Shannon Briggs has a more impressive resume.

 

Because I don't live on this board and sniff thru every post, smart ass. Nor will I look in the archives, I think I know your decision already by the defensive position you are taking. BTW, Brewster is a warrior, and I will be the first to say he was the better man if he wins, will you take this opportunity to show that you are a man by admitting that Wlad was the better man if he loses? It'll help you in the long run and maybe get rid of the "chip" you have on your shoulder.:deal

 

But you will take the time to post the same question twice without looking back ONE page to see if has already been answered?

Can you repeat the question, this time in ENGLISH. I have no idea what you are saying here. :huh

What chip? I have said countless times on thin board that Wlad is clearly the best HW in the world right now. Face it, your claim that I am a "Klit hater" is simply wrong.

All I am doing is looking at the beating Brewster was getting before Wlad ran out of gas in the first fight, adding Wlads improvement, then adding Brewster's lay-off and injuries. Conclusion - Brewster is getting his ass handed to him, barring another miracle.

 

Unless any of them managed to hit a glancing arm-shot to the ear. Then Hide's in big trouble.

 

I thought I remembered something like that. People injured their shoulder far too many times against Byrd to be a coincidence, just like people bled against Ali too often to be a coincidence.

 

My apologies, maybe I jumped the gun and took your comments out of context .I don't Wlad will steam-roll Brew, but this rematch definitely needed to be made.

 

Ali lost many rounds to guys who could not wear Vitlai's trunks. To say he looses every round to Ali is fantasy. Moreover Vitali has only lost a maximum of two rounds his entire boxing career. This man could fight. Not even Roy Jones, Floyd Mayweather, or Lennox Lewis can claim this type of dominance on the score cards in their careers.


Who wins in a fantasy fight can be debated, but Vitlai's high knockout percentage and score cards can not.

 

Now you're forcing me to reverse the direction of my posts on this thread and address some of the wilder claims re: Vitali.

(As you can see, if you read all of what I've written, I 'm a Vitali fan and often feel he doesn't get fair recognition for his accomplishments)

When comparing Ali to Vitali, you have to compare their opposition.

Vitali never faced anyone of the calibre of Foreman, Frazier, Liston, Patterson, Young, or Terrell. Ali beat all of these guys, and most of them twice. Vitali's only big name was Lennox.

Ali, 1964 to 1967, probably wins a very lopsided decision over any version of Vitali. Vitali would not have had an answer for his speed and movement.

Give Vitali his dues but don't get carried away.

 

Sorry, but that is utter ****ing bull****. If I could be bothered that'd be a Klitschko fan quote of the week right there.

 

Since when is knocking down glass chin Rahman a big deal???