I say yes. It seems obvious to me. Mentality, skill, speed/power, reflexes, size, chin, ring inteligence. He seems a bit fragile and it's the only maybe significant flaw of his that I can think of. It surprises me when someone strongly disagree with that. Am I wrong? I'd like to hear experts opinions. Maybe it's been dicsussed a lot before but everyone who claims to know better - enlighten me please.
Vitali's only weaknesses are his paper maché skin and his glass shoulder. Other than that he can hang in there with pretty much everyone from any era.
Exactly. He's better than Wlad IMO. And hard match up for ANYONE. He's more like top 5 to me actually. If not top 3, tier for the H2H GOAT (waiting to get jumped on:bbb)
Yes, easily. He is far better in H2H comparisons than resume because of the lack of big names. Being as consistent as Vitali is just as impressive as one or two wins over ATG's. Vitali never had a fight where you could say the other guy was really better. His worst performances were probably Hoffmann and KJ and in both fights he won every round.
He seems to be stylistically such a nightmare for all fighters because the opposition he has fought has not been great. If he hadn't of fought an old, out of shape Lennox Lewis, this ATG thing probably wouldn't be there. Would a younger Lennox Lewis have knocked him out in the same fashion as he did Golota, Grant et al? As old as he was, with that much ring rust, he was still taking all Klitschko had and hitting him with big shots, but without the speed he used to have, he wasn't the Lethal Lennox he once was. I'm not being horrible to Klitschko here. But before he fought an old Lennox everyone said he would get KTFO in 2 rounds max. He was very fortunate to get to an old Lennox.
I saw yes, but obviously he wont rank so highly in an ATG list based on achievements. Wlad will probably rank ahead of him on opposition and a long title reign
This not based on resume people but H2H. Easily top 10. Only a pure hater could really argue otherwise.
Fair enough. I'd have favoured prime Lennox over him actually but not by a great margin - like 6-4 or a bit less. Still he's top 10 for sure to me.
Have you only started watching boxing last year? The Kbros would be no more than contenders in any other era. Lyle, Norton, Cooney, Ruddock, Bowe and maybe a prime Golota would have beat both of these guys and you consider him a top 3 H2H . . . GTFO!!
I rate Lennox very highly, but he was quite lucky to win on cuts. A cut can come from a glancing blow, not from being the better fighter. There are good reasons why he didn't take a rematch, without having talked abotu retirement before. The younger Lennox struggled with Mercer, who wouldn't have looked as good against Vitali. The younger Lennox was knocked out cold by McCall and I don't see McCall ever doing that to Vitali. Except for his injuries, Vitali didn't have off nights where he showed weaknesses someone could exploit. Louis, Ali, Lewis all had nights were they either lost or came close to losing to the level of opponents Vitali always dominanted. I don't see Schmeling winning a round against Vitali, or Braddock or Cooper flooring him.
haha now you make more sense. That's what I meant - try to enlighten me. Top 3 is probably an exagerration - I start to see it now but from who you mentioned - aside maybe from Bowe - they all less or more seem below him to me. Lyle, Norton, Cooney, - all tough as nails (Ruddock not necesarrily - he could get KOed fairly easily I guess), but Vitali's ring intelligence and skills would make him outbox them even if he coulnd't go war with them. Golota would quit. You can't see him even top 10?
Hmmm...Mercer and Schulz were contenders in the glorious 90's. Wlad destroyed them with ease, looking a lot better Lewis or Foreman against them.