Vitali has more work to do

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  1. kirk

    kirk l l l Staff Member

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    Interesting thread with some good reading here, especially about walcott and patterson, that is crazy the hardships walcott had to deal with. Thanks suzieQ for the bits of info there :good

    As for the topic, i have to agree those are some good points and id also agree i wouldnt have vitali as high as most on the ATG list, however, one of the things going for Vitali at the moment is just how dominant hes been, but the thing is, he is more beatable now then ever, and while i think a good test of how great a fighter is, is how well they fight when they are no longer at their peak, vitali has done this already, and shown that even much past his prime he can still beat a lot of the contenders out there.

    But as he is looking ever more his age, should he fight on and get beaten, many will hold that against him, and it might hurt him more then a few good wins will help. Its a fine line imo, because if im honest, and i like vitali (ive always been more of a wlad fan) but vitali is looking ever more beatable and i think he should retire before hes completely done. If that hurts his all time ranking, so be it, it will hurt a lot more when he fights a young, fast, powerful fighter that beats him and people can say 'see, the first 'real' fighter he fights thats young (haye, solis, ect) or bigger then him (valuev) and he loses'

    So i dont know, i can see both sides in a way. I think i lean with Vitali with 1 or 2 more fights, because who knows how bad he will look a year from now even.

    That, and i also think he has to think about Wlad.... who imo is the better fighter at this stage, and is still somewhat the future of the division, and who is going to be carrying their name. I think it benifits Wlad, and the division, if Vitali retires and there becomes only one target.... and that is Wlad.


    Just IMO :good
     
    kirk, May 31, 2010
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  2. Haggis McJackass

    Haggis McJackass Semi-neutralist Overseer Full Member

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    Excellent post.

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  3. madballster

    madballster Loyal Member Full Member

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    I think this warrants an entirely new thread that I would find highly interesting. Maybe we could start one in the classic forum.

    * How were the training and nutritional conditions for the greats in the 20s, 30s and 40s, especially after the Great Depression hit the US in the early 1930s resulting in wide spread poverty and hunger.

    * Were boxers in the 30s able to train professionally with a trainer and a number of sparring partners for many weeks to properly prepare and earn a decent living from the purse or did most top 10 boxers have to work a day job (if they could get one).
     
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  4. Marquito_666

    Marquito_666 ESB´s #1 **** star Full Member

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    Excellent post as always...:thumbsup
     
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  5. Phirsole

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    Seconded. Vitali should try to get 2-3 of these: Haye, Valuev, Solis, Povetkin, Adamek. Then he should retire and leave the field for his brother.

    Further, he is tied up with politics in Kiev and it's just a question of time until he needs to decide between boxing and politics.
     
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  6. Boxed Ears

    Boxed Ears this my daddy's account (RIP daddy) Full Member

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    Vitali has only beaten forty opponents. Valuev-FIFTY. His legacy is sealed.
     
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  7. p.Townend

    p.Townend Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Vittali will always get stick for the lack of quality fighters on his record.There just isnt anyone around at the momment.If he fought Haye,Adameck and Povetkin people would give him stick for beating up cruisers.He is going to struggle to convince people he is truly great and it is not really his fault.
     
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  8. Boxed Ears

    Boxed Ears this my daddy's account (RIP daddy) Full Member

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    :huh
     
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  9. Finn73

    Finn73 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Vitali can't secure a place next to Ali or Lewis, because the big names are missing in today's heavyweight division. Even if he ever has the chance to beat Haye and accomplish this in a convincing fashion this won't help him to become one of the best ATGs.

    Having said this, I really believe that he would mean danger to every ATG of the past. He lost to Lewis, fine, but he was very very competitive. Tyson would've lost against him. Ali, Foreman, I don't know, but all fights would've been close. Vitali is one tough SOB and would've been a hard nut to crack for every heavyweight fighter ever lived.
     
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  10. paulfv

    paulfv Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Two more fights and he's done, I think.

    I've said for a long time that I felt he wanted to surpass Lewis record, and when he did, he would likely hang them up.

    If Vitali fights twice more and wins both, here's how it will look:

    Vitali: 42-2-0 (38+)
    Lewis: 41-2-1 (32)

    Symmetry, then. Each man would have fought 44 fights.

    Guess we'll find out if this is his plan soon enough.
     
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  11. Drexl

    Drexl Your Hero Full Member

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    Sure, but isn't that just a function of the pathetic level of competition in the division right now?

    That's not Vitali's fault of course, and he can only face what is in front of him. But still, it makes it hard to rate him favourably against all-time-greats who have wins and/or dominant performances over OTHER all-time-greats on their resume.
     
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