Vitali - James Toney

History also proves that when a guy goes too far he can put his self in that situation and I personally believe Vitali has the tools to get it done against Toney.

 

i agree that vitali (besides a mercy stoppage) probably couldn't knock him out. wladimir on the other hand has the tools and the power to knock him out. if he puts enough left hooks and straight rights together, and doesn't play it safe, he can do it.

 

In the first fight

the scores were

111-116 , 115-112 , 111-116

That two of the judges had it 8-4 in peter's favor seems pretty controversial to me.
He threw 2-3 punch combinations but he literally landed flush in the single digits in most of the rounds.

 

I do agree two scores were way off, I had it very close for Peter. He did land a lot of punches, body punches, some to the head, to the shoulders...etc, point is he was active while Toney wasn't very active yet obviously more accurate. What made Peter also look better is whenever he landed something good enough he gained Toney's attention or stunned him, something Toney also lacked whenever he landed but of course can't be blamed for it. This all comes down to activity in that fight for me and who was more affective with his punches and Peter won in both.

 

And when exactly? Maybe 1972, when Klitschko was 1 year old and Toney 4.

 

Peter's punches mostly at the back?, disagree completely here. Peter also had a jab that he used against Toney even in the first fight which most of them did land and some in doubles. The reason why some of Peter's punches hit Toney at the side of the head or even back of the head is the way Toney twists his head down whenever Peter charges in with punches, those punches eventually go there and there's nothing he can do about them, it's Toney's fault as much as it's Peter's.

Peter was more active in that fight and to whatever Toney threw he fired back right away, that's what made the difference for me. I do agree that it was closer than what two judges saw it but the fight was Peter's.

 

Vitali doesn't knock Toney out which is actually the worst case scenario for James. What he does is systematically punish James Toney for over 12 rounds of one sided action. At this point in their respective careers, Toney is way way past it in comparison to Vitali and the size, power and stamina all points towards Vitali.

It wouldn't be pretty...and there are easier big money challenges out there for James at this point.

 

Why is this a topic? we all know Toney would'nt even take this fight, he also has a history for ducking fighters since his battering at the hands of RJJ, which also included a knockdown..... so if Jones could knockdown Toney, imagine what a 6ft 7 Klitchs could do, 1st or 2nd round KO, not that Toney would ever have the gump to fight either.

 

Toney is so stuck in mud, even more so than Peter. And we saw how close Peter came to reaching 6'7 1/2 Klitschko... he didn't land a single significant punch during 8 rounds. And Toney, at 5'9" will be embarrassed even worse. Even the ultra-slow Rahman landed plenty of punches until he got butted.

Has Toney ever beat a fighter over 6'3"? Sorry but at 5'9" you're just not going to beat either Klitschko, unless you have monstrous power, and even then it's one hell of a job, one that many underestimate.

Did anyone see how hard it was for Tua to even just get in Lewis' range? And Lewis is 6'5, not 6'7 1/2. Plus it takes a lot away from the power to punch up that high.


On top of everything else mentioned, both Klitschko's always ate up defensive fighters, stylewise. Byrd couldn't win a single round out of 17 against Wladimir, and won maybe two against Vitali. That injury is all James can hope for. Toney would've always lost, and lost badly, to either Klitschko, and he knew it, which is why he didn't take the fight.

I think his corner would force a mercy stoppage to stop Toney from a one-sided beating somewhere around the 7th or 8th, in fact, i'd expect a fight very similar to that against Peter.


I thought Peter won a close decision over Toney the first time, by the way.

 

I'd assume you can read the age in profiles... but no I haven't as I am 28... however, I have been for 15years... though hasn't Toney already ducked these two anyway, as someone mentioned early in this thread?

Case and point.