Vitali K vs Prime Larry Holmes

Even though I have sided with Holmes, this is a very reasonable post.

 

how does holmes not have the power to knock down vitali?holmes chin is way more proven and vitali was never in a fight where the opponent was hitting gim constantly,which i believe holmes would.

 

I dont see Vitali beating Holmes over the distance, Holmes was superior in more or less everything.

To beat Holmes, you needed to land that good punch and then take him out. Something tyson did which other fighters like Shavers etc couldnt capitalise on. Vitali doesnt have that kind of one punch power. Hes more of an attrition puncher. I dont see that working on Holmes, not over 15 rounds, espeically from a guy as slow as Vitali

I wouldnt be surprised if Holmes stops Vitali on cuts

 

holyfield beat holmes , it was n old holmes , but vitali was no holyfield , he was stronger , hit somewhat harder and was way superior on d outside .
on d outside he would have proven superior 2 holmes as well , so vitali does 2 prime holmes something similar what holyfield did 2 old holmes , that old holmes was not much reduced from d not so young holmes who was considered prime anyway , but this eludes u all , since u try imitating what Teddy Atlas / Bert Sugar / Angelo Dundee / a mix of them all and then a bit would have said . And in no way do i disrespect Atlas d way i do d other 2 .

 

Holmes is great at many things, but he's not a power puncher. I've never seen anyone punch with as much malicious intent as Holmes did. He constantly had that chip on his shoulder. He believes that boxing and promoters have used him; every punch he throws, you can the resulting anger and frustration on his face. If he was a gifted slugger then his opponents would drop like flies. But they didn't. Most of them he had to hit over and over and over... see for instance Shavers II, Snipes, Cooney, etc.

I'm not sure if Holmes' chin is more proven. He's fought very hard punchers, i.e. Shavers, Tyson, Cooney and Mercer. Group-wise they probably hit harder than Lewis, Sanders, Briggs and Nipple although it's fairly close. Still, Holmes got knocked down several times (also by Snipes); Vitali has never been knocked down and as far as I know was only stunned briefly against Sanders, but didn't have the shaky moments that Holmes had against for instance Weaver.

Holmes was constantly able to hit Tex Cobb but couldn't stop him.

Speaking of whom; of the rated opponents, Cobb was the only opponent Holmes could constantly land on. Do you really believe VK to be that bad a boxer? What about the fact that he has barely dropped rounds throughout his entire career - shouldn't that tell you he's hard to hit?

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Firstly Prime Vitali wouldnt be fighting Old Holmes.
Secondly Holyfield in his prime is leagues above Vitali
Thirdly Compare how an Old Holyfield performed against Lewis Twice and then see what an Older Lewis did to Vitali.
Fourthly who said Vitali hits harder than Holyfield? Holyfield dropped Mercer, Bowe and Tyson amongst others, 3 guys known for granite chins.
Vitali took 8 rounds to take out Danny Williams, AUDLEY HARRISON, did it in 3
Compare Lewis' approach against Holyfield and Vitali. Against Vitali, he threw caution to the wind. Lewis was always safety first, if he was really intimidated by Vitalis power? why would he fight so recklessly?

Based on what? beating Chris Arreola and Danny Williams? Holmes is widely known to have one of the best jabs ever.

Where was his superior outside work against an old Lewis? Same Lewis who struggled with Ray Mercer, same Ray Mercer whose cherry was popped by none other than an old Holmes.

Vitali Klitskcho is not Evander Holyfield!!!!!
Hes got nothing in common with him, other than maybe Lennox Lewis and Chris Byrd, ironically

That doesnt even make much sense.

I dont listen to anything of the above, im wise enough to make my own decisions. Im a former boxer, kickboxer and thai boxer and kickboxing instructor. I dont need your or Teddy Atlas telling what to believe

 

Believe me, there are better ways to spend your time than arguing with a troll.... Coin collecting, sheep counting, and watching water drip from a sink are all good suggestions....

 

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i was aware of it , but "prime" holmes was not young and this is y old holmes was much less reduced from his prime than people understand .

on a p4p sense but this is a h2h question

in their 1st fight lewis hurt holyfield worse than he did vitali , which brings us 2 what lewis did vitali : cut him .
amazing .

which is y i think holyfield is underrated as a puncher , but no need 2 get carried away , neither of those men's chin was granite .
u need 2 watch more fights 2 know what granite is :
mccall , tua , toney , miguel angel gonzalez , mccallum (maybe) , tony thornton , merqui sosa , glen johnson , jorge fernando castro , and of course there r more .
i think even jose luis ramirez had a better chin , p4p than all of those u mentioned .
lewis aside but bowe was downed twice vs alexander miroschnichenko at d seoul olympics and this guy was stopped (and couldn't crack) d supposedly glass jawed oleg maskaev (!) in maskaev's debut (!!) whereas miroschnichenko was 21-0 at d time (!!!) .
your granite jawed bowe was also stopped by future cruiserweight earl adolpho washington at d amateurs if i m not mistaken .
as 4 mercer , he had a good chin , not granite , although p4p it was better than bowe's i assume .
tyson was stopped 5 times , and never due 2 cuts or injuries .
mcbride doesn't matter ? maybe , but tyson's chin failed him vs each 1 of d rest . i do consider tyson sturdier even than d average hw titlist but no need 2 get carried away about his chin .
let us settle on ranking his chin above frazier's , patterson's , louis' and markegiano's but below mccall's , holyfield's , tua's (and tua was not even a titlist) , toney's (again , not a titlist) , so u know what ?
tyson's chin was 1 of d best chins ever on a hw champion but i still wouldn't consider it as granite .

so now we get 2 vitali's punching power after a partial dealing with holyfield's power :

AUDLEY HARRISON also failed doing it over 12 , which in average makes it a cool 7.5 (approximately) , so ? Audley was a big strong guy who stopped d vastly underrated alexei lezin @ d amateurs , that lezin went something like 1-1 with vitali , 1-2 with wladimir , 1-0 over valuev , 1-0 over whitaker , 1-0 over luan krasniqi all big , strong and heavy hitting guys .
Danny Williams was vitali's last fight prior 2 his 1st retirement which suggests , especially since we know his problems that he probably had some injury while against williams which hampered his punching .
Vitali also stopped Corrie Sanders whose chin is underrated even if lesser than your former 1 nyte owner , vitali also stopped cleveland woods , d only man 2 ever really stop ross puritty and while no huge hitter 4 his size due 2 his repeated injuries , vitali still hits harder than u understand .

lewis did not really throw caution 2d wind , he simply knew he had a better chance utilizing his probably somewhat superior weight and strength on d insdie rather than facing a jab longer than his own and spare me from d fake reach data , and as a former boxer u should have known that d taller man has a reach advantage even if his reach is really shorter , which is very much in doubt in this case anyway .

only if u agree that carl williams , tim witherspoon , pinklon thomas , james tillis , mitch green , tony tucker (and which 80's champion doesn't ?) has 1 of d best jabs ever .
this is not about who had d better jab , maybe tommy hearns' or sumbu kalambay's jab was better , but would u pick them 2 outjab , let alone beat holmes ?

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this is a h2h question isn't it ? and regardless of who was better , vitali would have reached holmes without getting reached as simple as it gets . if u knew about boxing then this is 1 of d basics , good luck trying 2 outjab a man 3.5 inches taller than u moron , it must b y u r a former boxer not a current 1 .
if williams , spoon and spinks gave him that much , guess what a much taller , stronger , durable rangier and a more eager man would have done .

lewis chose 2 infight and vitali chose 2 beat him in his own game only problem was he got cut , kapeesh ?

vitali is bigger , stronger , rangier and hits at least as hard as holyfield .
this is a h2h question , p4p i rank holyfield higher , yes , that same holyfield that needed d old dundee trick of torn glove in order 2 survive and later stop n ATG bert cooper .

explained about it in d beginning of this post , so go back up in this post if it somehow eluded u .

but u obviously don't know much about boxing as was proven above in this very post and in others as well .