Vitali Klitschko (2003/2004) vs Wladimir Klitschko (2006-2014)

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  1. Entaowed

    Entaowed Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Wait a minute-200 punches per round? If you even meant 100 that is untrue-in his record setting HW performance Ike "only" averaged a bit north of 80 per rounds. Please say what you meant or correct the number, with references or examples.

    While I tend to favor Vitali, you are also very confused by saying he hit harder.
    Everyone believes the opposite, I believe everyone is correct. No "arm puncher" can hit harder than among the hardest hitting SHW ever.
    Please show the citation where Wla said the opposite. Thank you.
     
  2. Entaowed

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    Fury is a terrible example given Wlad's age & his psychological condition given events in his life. Might as well reference Ali vs. Holmes.
    As I just wrote, your punch count is way way off. Look it up & hyperlink actual evidence.
    Though again, I think Vitali should be favored.

    And he was a skilled martial artist & a dedicated, principled activist & politician.
     
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  3. Ra's Al-Ghul

    Ra's Al-Ghul The one and only! Full Member

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    Looks at the statistics against Peter or Arreola, where he threw 130 punches in a round.
    He only did arm-pinches after the injuries, as he changed his style. But even Wladimir Klitschko admited that his brother is the better puncher (knockouter), just look on their knockout-rate, were Vitaly Klitschko has over 93% and mostly earlier (a lot in the first 2 rounds) than Wladimir Klitschko with at best 88%.
    He said, there is no need for a fight between them, as everybody know his brother is better, as who proved vs. Peter among others. Who went 22 rounds with him and had his arse down three times, but his brother got barely hitten at all and destroyed him in 8 rounds, without clinches/ holding; the best punch Peter landed was to the bottom of him. That was also a cause that Haye avoided him, as he knew he has no chances and choose the brother.
     
  4. Ra's Al-Ghul

    Ra's Al-Ghul The one and only! Full Member

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    He had more than 100 punches in several rounds in some fights. The size and the passivity were the issues and it was characteristcal for him, that he couldn't switch on the trigger and only stepped the pace up in the last minute of the last round (similar as he did vs. the small and harmless Chambers). It is a blockade in his head, that he can't go over his own shadow all-out. Therefore I probably let Joshua back into their fight and waited in the wrong moment, when who was complettly gone.
    Vitaly Klitschko was even more agile than Tyson Fury and possible faster, his activity would not suit the Wladiator.
     
  5. Entaowed

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    About your 2 responses, thank you, & I tend to favor Vitali, but I keep asking for links.
    Your 200 punches per round must have been a mistake that you never addressed.
    The 100 + per round may be true for rare rounds for either Brother, but that is very different from the average you were claiming for Vitali.

    Anyway no reason not to include any hyperlinks, since you will claim it is easy to establish.
    Although again you have shifted your claims dramatically.

    You can also include Wlad's admissions, but if it is years before he finished his career, even if correct & not modest, it does not mean he was better since then.

    And you have again changed the goalposts: a *better* or more effective puncher is completely different that a harder puncher.

    Oh, but in a much longer career with many more fights-forget about better opponents-it is much harder to have the same KO rate. When you factor those things in, Wlad's is more impressive.
    Wlad did not say his Brother hit harder, & almost everybody believes the opposite.
    No arm puncher will hit harder than a very hard hitting SHW.
     
  6. Ra's Al-Ghul

    Ra's Al-Ghul The one and only! Full Member

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    Google/ Boxrec is your friend...:wave:;)

    I see no need to do so, as you can find it on your own if you are aware how the internet works. But anyway published McTono some months ago such (although he was trieng to prove the opposite). And these numbers were mainly said by the commentator, so you have to watch the fights (for instance on Youtube) to get these.

    He indeed had that average numbers of over hundred per round (at least until the last rounds) against Arreola, maybe Peter and likely when he narrowly murdered Briggs.

    His brother had never such in a world title bout or any significant too, not even against Barrett or Schulz. Though it was a decent number in the first Byrd one, except of the last two rounds, where he just saved it (instead of finishing him off).

    He in fact did point it that his brother hit harder, when who had done the job with Peter in 8 rounds (maybe was he co-commentator there or after the fight), perhaps also when he went 10 rounds with whom in their second bout.
    Nobody will question who has more killer-instinct and therefore is the greater knockouter (has the highest number besides Marciano from all former Heavyweight world champions). Frank Bruno is also supposed as one of the best puncher, although he never knocked one elite boxer out (barely even down).

    And "Dr. Ironfist" has the clearly superior record than "Mr. Steelhammer", with the much higher winning-rate. If these defeats against Fury and Joshua didn't happen, then it would be almost equal.
     
  7. Loudon

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    If it was a hypothetical scenario where they weren’t brothers, and just 2 HW’s from the same country, it’s a different debate.

    As is stands, Wlad is, and always has been second to Vitali.

    Vitali is his hero.

    He’s looked up to him his whole life.

    He’s his big brother.

    He’s the stronger, more dominant character.

    Wlad would never have had the belief that he could have beaten him.
     
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  8. Loudon

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    It’s not as simple as that.

    Vitali is his big brother and his hero.

    Wlad knows that he’s not physically and mentally as tough as Vitali.

    Being the better boxer isn’t enough
     
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  9. McGrain

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    I'd pick Wlad, but it's so close and difficult, it's really hard to be sure.
     
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    I mean this is obviously a matter for opinion but so far as it goes it's true up to a point. I think that point was reached and breached when Wlad threw him out of his camp. He became pretty clear about who he was later in his career, and I see no advantage for Vitali in a fight because of their past against a prime version of Wlad. Even then it might easily be as true to say that Vitali would never be able to function against his younger brother after caring for him all his life that he would never be able to bring himself to hurt him.

    Pop psychology again but no more or less valid.
     
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  11. Loudon

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    Good post.

    Realistically, they would never have fought, even if they’re mother hadn’t have made them promise not to.

    Yes, Vitali has always tried to protect him in every aspect of his life. So he wouldn’t have wanted to have hurt him.

    Wlad has always looked up to him, and believes that he is his superior.

    That’s why it’s better to look hypothetically where they’re not related, where you can just do a breakdown based on their clash of styles.

    From the knowledge that I have accumulated of their family from over the years, Wlad wouldn’t have had the belief that he could have beaten him, even if they’d have been open to a fight.
     
  12. McGrain

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    Yeah, they would never have fought, and who would have wanted them to? You wouldn't have known if the result was pre-ordained.
     
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  13. Johnny_B

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    Wlad is probably the better boxer, but Vitaly wins cause he has a better chin and is not afraid to take risks.
     
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    I lean towards Vitali. He's more durable and more of a natural fighter and while Wlad is a somewhat better boxer and may hit harder, I think Vitali takes punches better.
     
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    I think Michael Spinks was robbed during the Tyson fight.