Vitali Klitschko 2004-5 status in your eyes

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  1. HistoryZero26

    HistoryZero26 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    And that status was the product of winning eliminators which knocked everyone else down the list. Sharkey won the ABA belt over Loughran and also beat Stribling and Scott. Schmeling beat Uzcudchin and Risko. While neither Schmeling or Uzcudchin were the IBU champ both had been stripped of this honor for going to the US and held more credibility than Pierre Charles. Thats the whole idea behind "eliminators" eliminating. And by June 1930 Sharkey and Schmeling were the top 2.

    The IBC represented forces that existed before its formation. The same way the "Unified Boxing Organization" Turki and Dana want does.


    There was a tournament in 1948 with Charles/Baksi/Maxim/Kahut. Maxim advanced despite losing to Kahut because it was controversial. Walcott got a bye because he nearly had beaten Louis.Chatgpt is sourcing the IBC planned a tournament between guys(Charles, Walcott, Lesnevich and Savold) that clearly didn't happen. Maybe I'm confusing it with the NBA because Louis was working with the IBC?


    Then there was the "series of eliminator" that started the Patterson lineage.
     
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  2. MaccaveliMacc

    MaccaveliMacc Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I always look at the crowning of Wladimir Klitschko as a type of tournament. When Vitali retired in December 2005, Wladimir and Chagaev emerged as Top 2 heavyweights. They beat most of the the top fighers among each other. Wlad beat Chris Byrd, Samuel Peter, Hasim Rahman, Sultan Ibragimov & Lamon Brewster while Chagaev beat Nikolay Valuev and John Ruiz. If you look this in terms of sort of a unofficial tournament, other top heavyweights Oleg Maskaev and James Toney were beat by Peter (whom Wlad defeated), Siarhei Liakhovich was beat by Nikolay Valuev (whom Chagaev beat) and Shannon Briggs got beat by Sultan Ibragimov (who was beat by Wlad). Even Monte Barret lost to Hasim Rahman who lost to Wlad. No matter how you slice it, all roads led to Wlad and Chagaev.
     
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  3. Man_Machine

    Man_Machine Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Which is how rating systems work.
     
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