Vitali Klitschko 2009 v.s Moorer 1994

They're absolutely banking on it. Practically a certainty. In the DinoGee Universe (tm) if Vitali fought Byrd 10 times, his shoulder would dislocate itself so often that eventually Byrd would be able to pick up the detached arm and use it as a club ... :yep

 

It is rather mind boggling. In 47 fights, Vitali Klitschko only tore is rotator cuff once to my knowledge, yet this is supposed to happen in EVERY single fantasy fight he's placed in. Unlucky dude I guess.

 

Look at the time period between Byrd and Hoffman. That tells you he had no serious fight ending injury .
The rematch was 100% within his control and he chose to reject it. If he felt he got fluked out of a victory , the first thing to do is set the record straight.
You cannot use that as a legitimate excuse for a loss. Its an excuse for losing nothing more.
Any legitimacy to an injury was obliterated when he flat out ducked the second fight.

Kicking the curd??

Byrd was laughing in his face and playing him like a fool. At no point ever was Vitali 'kicking the crud' out of him.

What about the early rounds? While he was apparently healthy? Where he couldn't come close to dropping Byrd or even hurt him.
He couldn't land a clean shot on Byrd to save his life and gassed himself out in the process.
And if he did hurt his shoulder , its because Byrd caused him to over extend his joints.
Either way , it was Byrd who was entirely instrumental as to why he quit the fight.

Byrd wasn't any more of a mover than Moorer. He stood right there and Vitali was missing like a drunken navvy.
Watch the fight and quit imaging a version of Vitali that has only been imagined up on forums..
He had the leg movement of a newly born donkey and kept his hands down at his side at all times.
He was smart enough to make a career out of avoiding guys who could exploit the all the flaws he was riddled with. This guy eat counters something horrible.
Sanders was lighting him up before he blew his old and shot 38 year old tank.
Moorer had excellent footwork and pivoted sideways which was kryptonite to Vitali who can only punch and come forward in straight lines. He had a fierce , heavy handed body attack. Critical for Vitali when you see how the smaller Byrd landed body shot with absolute ease.

Vitali is no Holyfield or Foreman. Moorer not only beat the others , he knocked 7 shades of dump out of them.
He rocked the iron chinner Smith on several occasions.

Vitali's reputation is based on being battered by a woeful looking Lewis. His durability is based off taking Lewis uppercuts that were taken much better by other guys - who took them without staggering all over the place and without getting stopped.

Vitali was a myth with a carefully managed career. Look at his fight with Kevin Johnson and tell me that is what skills looks like.
A green , novice Joshua blasted thru Kingpin like he wasn't even there.
But Vitali couldn't land a glove on him and came away looking like he got mugged by a gang.

 

I counteract fanboyism with reality.

The likes of you and Mendozy are only fans of your favorite boxers and not the sport of boxing.

I have no dog in this race. Just the truth how i see it .

 

So what are you saying? that there was no shoulder injury? He had surgery after that fight.

Vitali was winning on most people's cards about 7 round to 2 despite dealing with the distraction of the pain of a torn rotator cuff and only having the full use of one arm.. Again how does this help Michael Moorer in a fantasy fight?

He was outboxing Byrd in the early rounds and after the third round when he apparently suffered the injury he still continued to win until the pain became unbearable.

yes, being on the end of a jab and losing for most of an evening certainly advocates that Byrd had so much to do with why Klit quit. And if Chris used movement to make him miss and over extend his joints then again How does this help Moorer who was frequently there to be hit?

Wrong..

I have and I see nothing about that fight which suggests that Moorer should win it ... I have however seen SEVERAL fights to suggest that Vitali would knock him out.. What was Moorer's excuse for getting knocked practically unconscious by a 45 year old Foreman who hadn't fought in 17 months and was coming off a loss to the Duke? or getting decked five times enroute to a stoppage by a 35 year old Evander who had been injured more times than Newt Gingrich claimed he was running for president? Or getting knocked out in one round by David Tua? Or getting decked and nearly beaten by Bert Cooper? Or being dropped and looking like shlt against Everett Bigfoot Martin? Funny how you take one fight out of a 47 bout career ( with an unusual ending ) and use it to build a case for a man who had about 8 or 9 evenings that could easily be used to build a case for the other guy.

Funny how you make these observations yet virtually no one was able to win rounds against him and there are even a few men he beat who I'd probably pick to spark Moorer.

You got that right.. Certainly not the versions of Foreman and Holy who Moorer fought and who BEAT him.

Did he knock the seven shades of dump out of Bigfoot Martin?

He didn't do **** to Smith. He was predicted to cripple the 40 year old Bonecrusher in that fight and ended up dissapointing. Care to compare that performance to what Vitali did to a prime Herbie Hide or the defending and prime Sam Peter after Vitali was coming out of a four year retirement?

That woeful version of Lewis was still better than any version of Moorer and was taking plenty of punishment of the kind that would have left Moorer on the canvas.

LMAO.. So you're taking a 38 year old Klitscko on the comeback trail and using that performance to build your case about why a PRIME Moorer was better? You've basically admitted that Moorer can't win if you resort to that tactic.

Yeah, SIX YEARS AFTER Vitali fought him and when Johnson had lost 5 of his last 6 fights... Same plss poor tactics I see..

 

What are you saying?

That he went through surgery , rehabilitation , recovery - then searched for an opponent , found one , started directly into a camp and was all done and dusted ready to box again within just 7 months ??

Hahahahaha.

Wake up man. There was no evidence of any injury or any surgery apart form his own excuse making.

His quick turn around tells you there wasn't any. And why did he fight Hoffman instead of enforcing his rematch clause?

You can come from behind to win a fight. Moot point altogether. And you could easily make a case for Byrd taking 3 round out of 9. Either way , it wasn't a domination like made out to be.

Byrd took the fight on only a weeks notice. Why doesn't Byrd get to have excuses made for him ?

Byrd was landing plenty of counters and body shots. He backed Vitali up countless times , but Vitali could not to the same. That is what happened.

What fights?

Moorer was in a comfortable lead before getting one shotted. Vitali hasn't the ability to one shot Moorer . Moorer out boxed Foreman who had a much better jab and right hand than Vitali did.
If he had round and round of success against Foreman , why would he not have the same against Vitli?
Vitali was not a pressure fighter either. He approach Moorer with caution and give him space to get off straight left lead counters that Vit was wide open for.

He selected the same carbon copy cut outs his whole career. He wanted no part of Rahman who wasn't half has good as Moorer.
His best wins are Peter and Arroela. Moorer destroys those two.

Helenius battered Peter worse than both Wlad and Vitali. Why isn't he a top 10 h2h beast?.
Chambers easily beat Peter. Why isn't he one?

Look at who else beat Vitali's best opponents. When you do , you realise there is no case for him being this unbeatable monster.

You're using bad nights at the office and past it versions of Moorer bringing up Martin and Tua.

 

You obviously don't know anything about sports medicine. A rotator cuff injury doesn't necessarily take years to mend.. But it can be reinjured over time and can certainly cause a person to perform terribly in an event.. read below.

"Klitschko won most of the rounds and was heading towards a comprehensive points victory when he suffered a serious shoulder injury. After the ninth round, Klitschko notified his corner that he had a shoulder pain and threw in the towel, thus handing Klitschko his first defeat and awarding Byrd the win by RTD. At the time of the stoppage, Klitschko had won 8 of 9 rounds on one judge's scorecard, and 7 of 9 on the two others. Klitschko, who was later diagnosed with a torn rotator cuff, received much criticism for quitting the fight. Klitschko rebounded from his loss to Byrd by reeling off five victories in a row, earning himself a shot at WBC Heavyweight Champion Lennox Lewis."

He didn't "come from behind" to win though.. His opponent quit as the result of something that had nothing to do with him and he was still losing at the time of the corner retirement. Again, how does this help Moorer? what if there was no shoulder injury against Moorer?

Was he fighting injured?

I never saw Vitali getting backed up at all. And Byrd was getting his stool pushed in.

The ones I already referenced multiple times which you've ignored. So Vitali getting injured and having to retire in his corner in a fight that he was otherwise winning - something that only happened once in 47 fights somehow negates Moorer getting knocked out by two past prime champions, decked twice by Bert Cooper, and floored against Bigfoot Martin... Okay.. I guess we all have our preferences for what we deem as more relevant.

And Vitali had a comfortable lead before his injury made it near impossible to continue.. Frankly I think this is better than getting KTFO by a man old enough to be your father and who had fought only once in two years.

He wouldn't have to.. Moorer didn't have the ability to outbox him, the mobility to avoid him, the power to stop him or the durability to outlast him. He'd get outboxed for most of the early rounds while periodically getting decked until he the referee or his corner called it off.. That is unless of course you're banking on Vitali throwing out his shoulder again..

I'll give you the right hand... Forget about the jab.. No way...Does it also count that a prime vitali was about 15 years younger than Foreman, had about 3 inches in height and a few inches in reach?

For the very reasons I stated above.. Vitali Klitscko has lost FEWER rounds than any title holder in history.. Foreman lost rounds to Alex Stewart, Axel Schultz, Lou Savarese and even his first round against Gerry C00ney.

Moorer would be outreached, outjabbed, outgunned, and would be getting hurt and decked by some of Klits punches. Michael's durability and power weren't that terrific at heavyweight and his boxing ability is being grossly overrated here.

Wrong.. Vitali was in retirement when Rahman was getting his ass kicked by guys like Oleg Maskaev. Had nothing to do with ducking, though Rahman ( and yourself ) would certainly want people to believe that. And I'm not even sure Moorer would beat Herbie Hide.

Peter was finished by the time he fought Helenius as he was coming off multiple beatings that wrecked him.

Good thing for Chambers that Peter didn't train and showed up a whaling 265 lbs, and still had to settle for a majority decision.

That depends on WHEN they fought them, and hopefully not 7 years before or after he took them out.. I know you're fond of using such tactics.

No different than what you've been doing all along which is why I started doing it in the first place... And there is no excuse for the Martin fight.. Moorer was in his prime and campaigning for a shot at the title.. Everett made him look like shlt.

 

This. I was going to respond to his post by yours has the bases covered.