Vitali Klitschko could/should be undefeated. Top H2H

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  1. VVMM

    VVMM Well-Known Member Full Member

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    The unprepared featherfist (Who's this dangerous guy ?) beat the **** out of him.Check out the last(9.) round !
     
  2. Jon Saxon

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    Teeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee Kaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay Ohhhhhhhhh SIX x
     
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  3. Balder

    Balder Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    So.

    No one mentioned who would be favored over him. That's telling in and of itself.
     
  4. The Long Count

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    He was up big on Byrd I believe he would of handled him easily in a rematch. He was up on Lewis and I believe he would of handled Lewis in rematch as well, Lewis was getting older and not sure he could of went to well again to get into great shape. Plus the first fight instilled in Vitali enormous confidence you could see it in the Johnson bout. Still hard to call that fight though. 55-45 Vitali I'd lean.
    Then the injury occurred- it did rob him of a chance to cement an atg legacy. The division was soft and none of those guys would beat him. However that isn't how things unfolded he got hurt, it happens, and when he came back he fought a few ok contenders but missed some real good ones. His brother meanwhile did fight the best the division had to offer and he outlasted his brother as well. 03-15 is known as the Klitschko era. Anyway you slice it- it's an impressive legacy and one you should be happy with if you're a fan of them.
     
  5. janitor

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    I am not sure if I could pick him over any of the all time greats to be honest.

    For me he never quite proved that he was what you are making him out to be.
     
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  6. GALVATRON

    GALVATRON Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Are top 5 in no order to have LEGIT argument on this H2H subject.THOUGH Joshua who is a 6'6 counter puncher at close quarters matches better than the rest.I dont want to say Joshua out right i know the crying that will follow...lol

    1.Mike Tyson

    2.Lennox Lewis

    Anthony Joshua ( a ATG replacing Joshua since hes not one yet)

    3.George Foreman

    4.Wlad Klitchko

    5.Riddick Bowe

    Its not going to be easy for anyone fighting this 6'7 250 pound guy who not only has power but great ring IQ. Thats just reality.
     
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  7. Big Ukrainian

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    Those big guys are H2h monsters (AJ I think will be recognized soon, too).

    How would Vitali do vs them prime 4 prime in your opinion?
     
  8. Bokaj

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    I don't think any other fighter in the history of boxing gets so much mileage out of doing so little. His best effort was literally having a healthy lead against Byrd when his shoulder gave out. His best win might be Solis, whose effeing knee exploded.

    Mugabi looked aces against the kind of opposition Vitaly beat. I don't hear anyone calling him a H2H god among men.

    Vitaly was having rough patches against a quite out of shape Sanders for god's sake. An old, undertrained and overconfident Lewis was there for the taking, but he failed. Rahman and McCall and arguably Mercer beat what most probably were better versions of Lewis. I mean, did Vitaly even do better than Bruno did?

    What performances against top fighters give us a reason to rate Vitaly so highly? He fought two top 5 guys and lost both. Yes, he might have been unfortunate against Byrd, but he had a golden opportunity against a probably quite beatable Lewis (Lewis showed several times that he was there to be taken when he wasn't on) and couldn't take it. THAT IS NOT ATG STUFF.

    The mileage it gets you to be big, bad and white in some quarters. Jesus.
     
  9. Bokaj

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    Well, lets start with the man who did beat him while being some way from his best: Lewis.

    Other than that it's hard to tell, since he faced so little testing opposition. But, hell, I wouldn't think it madness to put some money even on a Sanders in top shape, since he in poor shape gave Vitaly a good fight before he gassed.

    And if Sanders is in there with a shot...
     
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  10. GALVATRON

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    Most would go 12 with him just bc thats the type of fighter Vitali was ,hed beat you up rnd after rnd and made you mentally quit half way through. Style wise i like him getting the k.o against Lewis the most ,who is more dangerous than Bowe though bc Lewis could match jabbers better.

    Vitali k.O's Lewis. Similar fight to the first one but a better elusive counter puncher Vitali gets him. That cut was caused by a hold and hit inside right hand. Fight should have continued for at least 2 more rnds unless blood got in the eye which wasnt the case.I think more experianced VITALI DOES WHAT HE DID IN THE FIRST 2 RNDS VS PRIME LEWIS.


    If Vitali fought Bowe 3 times i believe he gets a TKO in one of them and UD the rest.

    i really dont give foreman a very good chance but he can punch and take a punch and is aggressive.Maybe he lands early before Vitali gets into rythm but i like Vitali here and the easiest fight out of the ones listed.


    M. Tyson at his best or near it would be 50/50. He could def.cause problems with pressure and counter punching underneath,but hes 5'10 and relies on timing more than anything.At 6'7 vitali could disrupt that easily. i beleive both would get wins off the other if they fought more than once.


    A. Joshua i give the best chance bc of size and skills combined. No one listed has everything combined like Joshua. Which is a SHW who can hold his own on the outside but like close range and throws in combos not just one or two punches with speed and power,hes very good at mixing up tempo and we saw that with Wlad. As long Joshua is aware of punch count and when to fight in spurts i like the match up for him.

    I would give Vitali benefit of the doubt on paper but really i wouldnt pick against Joshuas overall package.i just wouldnt at this point.I actually like Tysons chances more than Vitali against a fighter like Joshua......but



    OVERALL head to head these are my top 5 fighters in order.



    1 . Vitali Klitchko . At 6'7 his biggest strength was ring IQ . That coupled with a awkward style ,power and underatted speed almost won him every rnd hes ever fought . Proven durability at 250 pounds he had a great ability to make an opponent pay when they missed punches and this was because he was that difficult to land a clean shot on . You would need certain attributes to defeat him.

    2 . Mike Tyson. A perfect blend of speed and power ...Offense was his defense ohf master class counter punching under Cus and Rooney . Excellent combo puncher with near equal power in both hands .

    A complete fighter who could knock you out at any point ,those who survived after rnd 5 usually were battered so bad (unless they held every rnd ) that Tyson couldve lost every rnd after and still won. Tyson under Rooney had only lost 8 rnds out of 135 .

    3 . Anthony Joshua . A 6'6 240 plus fighter ,highly skilled and he showed that in only his 19th fight against Wlad Klitchko . Maybe the most all around skilled Super Heavyweight weve seen yet ,there's NOTHING easy about fighting a guy who possesses capabilities like he does . What seperates him by far is not just speed but his inside fighting abilities which dont let him soley rely on the jab like most 80 plus inch reachers .

    Explosive punching ,abilitie to counter punch ,ring cutting and match jabs with anyone make him that dangerous . His cornerman combined will make him extremely difficult to topple . Unlike the others he is still new relative to being a pro ,hes THAT great ,you either cant see superior skills or are a hater not to include him as a top 5 H2H fighter.


    4. Lennox Lewis .The fist true SHW that paved the way for modern refined skilled fighters. Lewis could do it all ,at his very best he could have defeated anyone under Steward . His ability to impose his 6'5 240/250 pound frame with the 83 inch jab in your face ,if you got by the jab he beat you up on the inside .

    If he landed the over hand right it was usually lights out . His ring generalship when the fight went on was usually second to none bche knew how to adapt to someone very easily (i think Vitali would have got him ) .

    5 Wlad Klitchko . The most technical of all the SHW's with great speed and power at 240 plus anyone has seen ,his ring IQ was second to none and possessing arguably the best jab in HW history ,certainly the strongest one with a lethal left hook coupled with a crushing straight right made him undefeated for over 10 years and only but a handful would have beat him if he came focused ( i had Lewis above bc BOTH had Steward at their best ,though Wlad recent fight was his best performance )

    It took a fighter like Joshua to show how good the 6'6 giant actually was for MOST ppl. Wlad Klitchko would be a nightmare for most bc most would never get by his jab.
     
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  11. Sting like a bean

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    I don't consider the Byrd fight a loss, but his loss to to Lewis is indisputable. You're not going to make a case to the contrary without some serious special pleading.
     
  12. Sting like a bean

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    Yeah, that Corrie Sanders was a real phenom, wasn't he?
     
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  13. mcvey

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    Yes, you certainly are!
     
  14. mcvey

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    Well he was good enough to ko Wlad!
     
  15. mcvey

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    I consider it a quit job against a feather fisted, much smaller guy he was clearly beating.