Vitali Klitschko could/should be undefeated. Top H2H

"Could" and "should" are worthless words in boxing. This is a results based business and if you dont get the results you dont get to put an asterisk next to it saying "well, yeah, but".

He quit against Byrd and forfieted the fight and he took so much damage against Lewis that the doctor stopped it. Being ahead on the cards at the time the fights stopped is irrelevant. He still lost those fights - the first because he gave up, the second because Lewis hurt him more.

 

The excuse that Vitali was leading on the cards vs Byrd is meaningless when it was Byrds gameplan to give up the early rounds and take Vitali late as that was seen as the way to beat a Klitschko after Wlads late stoppage loss to Purrity.
Byrd spent the early rounds by being defensive and making Vitali miss and its possible thats what made him injure himself , but its also possible that it made Vitali exhausted. When Byrd began to turn it up and mount an attack , Vitali suddenly decided to quit in his corner. There's no excuse for that. If he felt he was winning comfortably he could have adapted and fought one armed easily since he had an undersized , non puncher in front of him who took the fight on 2 weeks notice.
What says more about him being unable to cope with Byrd is the fact he wanted no part of a rematch despite the contractual rematch clause.
No guy who loses to Byrd and then ducks the rematch should be regarded as 'h2h monster'

 

Typical anti-Klitschko drivel. What a clown you are!

 

There's zero argument to rate him h2h resume wise. ZERO. Wlad will go down as the greater and more accomplished fighter. But I personally believe(as do many others) that big bro was the better operator h2h.

 

and 2 very good opponents. a strange coincidence.

 

That's what I feel as well, that Vitali was the better fighter but Wlad accomplished so much more and has a much stronger resume. As such even though I would have expected Vitali to beat Wlad if they had ever fought I just cannot rate Vitali above Wlad in an all time list.

 

Are you saying he should have been willing to risk permanently losing use of that arm and ending his career right then and there just for the sake of "sticking it out" in one fight?

What one Earth would that have proved?

 

Thats a laughable exaggeration. Fighters fought and won with way worse injuries. There's not even any visible evidence he was injured. He looked fine in the rounds prior to the quit job.
You make it sound like his arm would've had to been amputated if he hung in there another few rounds. Him being being clowned by Byrd and wanting out is a more logical explanation.

 

You obviously haven't the first idea how serious a rotator cuff injury can be, and if you pursue this line of argument, be assured it will not turn out well for you. You'd be far better off arguing that there was no such injury, that it was either faked or exaggerated from something much less serious like tendinitis. But if you try to argue that a genuine rotator cuff injury is something that can be safely ignored without very serious and very real risk of permanent debilitation (not to mention the most excruciating pain it is possible to feel) I promise you will fall flat on your face.

And be careful trying wield Occam's razor kiddo, you might cut yourself.

 

He certainly did not exhibit any signs of an injury that cause - the most excruciating pain it is possible to feel . He looked like a man who had no injury and thats why the commentary team were gobsmacked at his quit job.
I never once mentioned anything about a rotatory cuff injury , i explained the outcome the fight in two very simple posts , but they seem to have flown right over your head or else you just had no other retort than to threaten me and hope i run away.

 

Tell me, what are the "outward signs" of a rotator cuff injury that will be picked up by television cameras? (And for extra credit, what are the differential diagnoses?)

I'm not a Klitschko fan, but his detractors have nothing going here.

 

You said it yourself - - the most excruciating pain it is possible to feel . Did Vitali look like he was suffering from the worst pain its possible to feel?

 

I said that was a possible outcome of ignoring the injury. It looked like he was in pain, yes, but of course it could have gotten much worse.

Why do some of you guys press this point? It's not like there's any shortage of *legitimate* arguments against the Klitschkos to be made.

 

He got beaten and ducked the rematch. End of story.

 

That's not even the beginning of the story.