vitali klitschko dead line was today dec 15

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  1. MVC!

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    No he hasn't, the WBC will get their answer soon enough and the boxing world as well. Today is a Sunday (Weekends), so give the man a couple of days. He's still dealing with the political situation in Ukraine. It's quite a messy situation there to say the very least.

    Once he gets everything in order, he will make his decision. He clearly still wants to defend his title, or else he would have relinquished it already.

    Your hatred towards Vitali is blinding you from the truth.

    If it was Ray Robinson, Joe Louis or Muhammad Ali, you'd be giving them until the end of time.
     
  2. MAJR

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    Today is Monday in Europe, Vitali is living in Europe, its the 16th of December for him, he's missed the deadline.

    He had had well over a year to think about retirement, reports were that he was considering it after he beat Charr, he had had nine or so month since Stiverne became mandatory to decide whether to fight him or not, and he has twice been given deadlines by the WBC to make his decision only to blow it off.

    And you've again played the "if he was an American" card, and my reaction is the same as it was last time - its a crock of **** and you know it. I've already told you that its got **** all to do with his nationality and if he was Muhammad Ali I would be giving him the same grief about holding the WBC Title hostage and killing their heavyweight scene.

    (EDIT: curious that this website would censor one swear word but not the other)

    He's had around 16 month since his last fight, around 9 months since Stiverne became his mandatory, around 5 months since he claimed to be injured, about 2 months since he announced he was running for President of Ukraine, over a month since it was announced that he would make a decision on his boxing future on November 30th, and about half a month since he missed that deadline.

    How much time do you want to give him anyway?
     
  3. fists of fury

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    No fighter has the right to just string opponents along like this. It doesn't matter who they are. Fighters should not be allowed to keep a title hostage.

    Vitali has been given two deadlines now, and still we have heard nothing. Does he want to fight or not?

    Vitali must put up or **** off.
     
  4. Brighton bomber

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    I had hoped Vitali would have done the honourable thing and made a decision by this latest deadline but his mind clearly is elsewhere. He should retire, he has tarnished his reputation by holding the WBC title hostage for so long. This is unprecedented in the modern era.

    The fact he hasn't even bothered to make a statement and give us a reason for his delay is doubly disrespectful. The last excuse that it was the holidays was bad, I'm beginning to wonder if his injury was even genuine or if it was just another delaying tactic.

    I hope the WBC strip him because it's quite clear that Vitali has no intention of making a decision unless he is forced to.
     
  5. MVC!

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    The whole year he's been plagued with a horrible situation in Ukraine. He is the driving force of the rebellion and he's one of the most important figures there right now.

    His decision doesn't really matter right now! Being honest with you. Stiverne isn't exactly ready to fight as he is still in a court case with Don King. Until the court issues further details, he can't even sign the contract with Vitali.

    Doesn't really matter

    Give Vitali until the political situation becomes more stable in Ukraine.

    A few more months maybe? He deserves this time. He's been a great champion.
     
  6. MAJR

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    Then he should bloody well retire. If he's more invested in real-world politics than he is in boxing then he should become a full-time politican and officially retire from boxing, going on as he is now would be showing complete contemp for the sport that made him a star.

    And a few more months?! Seriously?! You might as well consider the WBC Belt extinct if he takes that long.

    Also, if he's so busy that he cant find the time to defend his belt what's wrong with doing what he did in 2005 and handing it over to the organization, becoming Emeritus Champion and coming back to challenge the new WBC Champion after the political problems in Ukraine have been sorted?
     
  7. MVC!

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    No he shouldn't retire. He still wants to box, he would have given up the belt if he didn't have any desires to do so.

    If you didn't know already, he went to the WBC convention a month ago. Why in the blue hell would he go if he didn't want to defend the belt? Waste of time if you ask me.

    The situation is getting WORSE there day by day so we really should give him the benefit of the doubt. A few months would be very acceptable.
     
  8. Brighton bomber

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    He if wants to box on that is fine but as WBC champion he has responsibilities and he has ignored them for far too long.

    The political turmoil may well continue throughout 2014 and there is no foreseeable end to the unrest. Should half of the heavyweight division be put on hold until 2015?

    If Vitali was serious about defending his title again then why not do his job as a champion and arrange a fight instead of getting side tracked by his political ambitions and delay his mandatory obligations time and time again. If he has plans to defend why have we not heard of his plans when the deadline has passed.

    Vitali has been given the benefit of the doubt numerous times already. He's delayed his mandatory several times. A few months more maybe acceptable to you but most people would disagree and the political situation may very well last more than a few months.
     
  9. themanat168

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    enough is enough it's time the WBC had some balls and just strip him of the title.
     
  10. The Long Count

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    The time has come for a deciscion to be made on Vitali's part. He's been a great champion but the dual responsibilites of politics and boxing are a becoming a disservice to both of his agendas. The WBC has to vacate the title-if Vitali wishes to resume boxing he can be installed as the mandatory. Stiverne is legally tied up right now so Chris Arreola vs Deontay Wilder should be made for the vacant title. Stiverne gets first fight after legal issues and if Vitali returns he gets the right to fight for title next. WBC has postoned a deciscion on this matter two times already hopefully tomorrow we don't get a third.
     
  11. kh80290z

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    im a big vitali fan,I can see he wants to help his country but he should also help the sport, then he will be win win from both sides.

    Just retire. Im tired of this stalling, ive got a feeling even in 2015 vitali will still be stalling, WBC should take action for the good of the sport, Vitali is a great champ but it doesnt mean he gets special privileges.



    Make stiverne fight someone for the belt.
     
  12. MVC!

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    How has he ignored them? He went to the fking WBC convention literally last month. Rofl.

    He will make his decision when he does. Nothing more to say than that.

    The man is fulfilling extremely important obligations right now, obligations that could make or break Ukraine. It is much bigger than boxing.

    I'm sure he will give us a decision extremely soon. For now, we must wait. He deserves the extensions. This is important stuff he's dealing with here.
     
  13. fists of fury

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    I know you're trolling and all, but it's not boxing's problem if he has other commitments. It's his problem and he needs to make a choice.

    Viital is acting like a prima donna here. Hell, the entire point of the alphabet boys introducing the mandatory is to prevent a titlist from sitting on the title without defending it.

    If he doesn't make an announcement this week he deserves to be stripped, end of.
     
  14. MAJR

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    Your not making a compelling case. If the political situation in Ukraine is so bad and getting worse by the day then it would surely benefit Vitali to relinquish the WBC belt and rid himself of the obligations being WBC Champion entails, that way he can focus fully on the political matters at hand and not have the extra pressure of the boxing world demanding he make his mind up adding to his burdens and rid him of the extra hassle of having to train and prepare for fights - should he ever get round to having another one.

    And he always has the option of relinquishing the title but not retiring, claiming to be unable to defend his belt due to other commitments, and becoming WBC Emeritus Champion with the right to fight the reigning WBC Champion any time he should wish. Thus if he truely does still have passion for boxing, and if he honestly wishes to fight again, he can do so without holding up the rest of the division because he selfishly wont let go of the belt when he doesn't have the time spare to defend it.

    So, again, I cannot see how being heavilly involved in real-world politics can be used as a valid excuse for clinging onto the belt.
     
  15. MVC!

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    He's not purposely clinging onto the belt, he's simply taking time off to focus on more important matters. He will defend his title when the time is right.

    If he had no intention of defending his championship, he would not have went to the WBC convention in November.

    He is still willing to defend it and he will do so when the time is right.

    In any case, Stiverne is STILL in court troubles and even if Vitali is free'd up now, there is no way Stiverne will be able to sign to fight Vitali so stop making the argument that the only reason Stiverne isn't fighting is because of Vitali's reluctance to make a decision.

    Stiverne needs to settle it with King first.

    The WBC is an extremely well respected organization and I'm sure they understand Vitali's situation. They sympathize with him and that is the reason why they're letting him prolong his decision.

    We as fans should also give him the benefit of the doubt.

    I truly believe that if he wasn't from Ukraine and you knew more about the political situation there, you'd be much more empathetic.

    If he was from America, I think your tone would be a little different.