Vitali Klitschko is an unbeatable monster. He would beat any HW from any era

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  1. ATG22

    ATG22 Active Member Full Member

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    This thread made me go back and rewatch the fight.

    4-2 is definitely correct, but that’s arguably the worst eye I’ve seen. Underneath his left was bad. Over the eye was flat-out grotesque.


    All in all, Lewis should never be forgiven for not giving a rematch. Even if you don’t have it anymore, respect to sport and let there be a proper ending to what was a great matchup between two great heavyweight champs.
     
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  2. Todd498

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    Notice a pattern with the Klitschko haters?


    THEM:pipi
     
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  3. Rumsfeld

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    Yeah. He didn't lose many rounds, and all that. But he didn't face too many high level heavyweights in the grand scheme of things, and he did lose against the two biggest names he ever faced.

    I don't know if he would have 100% beaten Byrd. And I don't think anyone knows what would have happened if he wasn't injured against Lennox.
     
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  4. Jackomano

    Jackomano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This. Byrd Agrees.
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  5. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    Quite impressive that Byrd was able to beat Vitali on 8 days notice and without ever seeing any footage on him :yikes:
     
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    Agreed.
     
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  7. Rumsfeld

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    You can make the case that he did win because of style. Vitali, Holyfield, and Golota all had trouble with their left arms during their fights against Byrd.
     
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    While it's been awhile since I've seen the fight, I recall having it much closer than the judges did. But it doesn't matter. Byrd won the fight. Vitali was stopped by Byrd.

    And Byrd opponents do have a habit of injuring their left arms against him. I'm forgetting someone else, in addition to Vitali, Holy, and Golota. There was at least one other I'm forgetting.

    Yes, Vitali was winning the fight. And yes, Vitali probably would have been favored had a rematch ever materialized. But no rematch ever happened. And officially, Byrd did beat Vitali.

    Let me ask you this - is it a coincidence that Vitali lost against the two best opponents he ever faced? Or is there a reason for this?
     
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  9. HerolGee

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    of course there is, I've mentioned parameters of injury already in response to BCS.

    I didnt think it needing raising again with you because its plumb obvious, and I dont see you as dumb as him.
     
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  10. HerolGee

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    so between the 90s and byrd vs vitali (was it 2000? around then) is where the predominant, significant changes in "actually understanding fitness, diet andall that" took place?

    What? - all these significant changes in boxing history SUDDENLY happened in those few years?? wtf that bizarrely enough happen to be around the time Vitali was losing fights? what a coincidence.
     
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    pretty good at picking deadbeats to face, yes.

    A lot of people manage that actually.
     
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    another coincidence, yeh, to go with your coincidence that all the important changes in in the history of understanding diet nutrition etc came between the 90s fighters and vitali vs byrd in the year 2000 or thereabouts.


    u get a lot of coincidences mate. is that a coincidence too.
     
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  14. Heavyrighthand

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    Given how long he was dominant, and the means in which he took his two losses(injuries, not out pointed or KOed), and the fact that he had never been dropped and was never behind on the points, and has one of the highest knock out ratios and heavyweight history ......


    Those aspects of his career are certainly a testament to the fact that he is at all-time great heavyweight
     
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  15. Rumsfeld

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    First off, he wasn't dominating Lewis. That's a falsehood. Vitali had some early momentum, and then Lewis started bouncing back, and the fight only lasted 6 rounds. He may have been winning, yes. But dominating? Absolutely not.

    As for you believing it's a coincidence, you're entitled to that opinion. I, however, don't think it's a coincidence he lost to the 2 best guys he faced. He never fought anyone remotely as good as Lennox was, and he never faced anybody else who was as tricky and elusive as Byrd.

    Lewis was a skilled tactician with immense power. He was looking to inflict damage whenever he could. And Byrd utilized a cutesy style where he was looking to make opponents miss. Lewis did inflict damage on Vitali, and he targeted the damaged area effectively. And Byrd was elusive enough that his boxing style directly contributed to the injury Vitali suffered. So I don't think it's really much of a coincidence that Vitali lost against the 2 best guys he ever faced.

    Now had he suffered the injury against someone like Cedric Boswell or Ross Purrity, you'd have a better case.
     
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