Vitali Klitschko, the most avoided heavyweight in the past 50 years?

Patterson and Liston's resumes sh*t all over Vitali's

 

At the end of the day his whole reputation was gained from a losing effort.

 

i don't think you can say he's the most avoided because the champ for a lot of his career was his brother and they couldn't fight, plus he didn't have big campaigns to fight anyone apart from lewis, which was for a rematch.

 

Uh, no. Getting knocked down 800 times, losing 8 times, drawing once does not make a better resume. Having a one defense title reign does not make for a better resume. Its always amusing when posters confuse fighters who fought a lot, and lost a lot, as top contenders of their era, for having a better resume than fighters who maybe haven't fought (and lost to) quite as many top fighters, but also have a much higher rate of victory over those they fight. Your line of reasoning would put the Ross Purrity's of the world as ATG's.

 

Not sure about Patterson but Liston definitely has the better resume. He had a short title reign because he was ducked by the champion for years and then when he won the title he instantly had to defend it against Ali while he himself was aging and past it. Not quite ideal, but what he did and how he did it was and is unrivaled even today. Tyson is the only guy that replicated it but he couldn't maintaint it for long. Liston blased out every top contender for half a decade and then completely decimated the champion twice in first round KO's when he got his shot.

It was unbelievable.

 

if the losses are to ATGs and Hofers, one of which the K bros have TOGETHER only fought one (and 100% lost to, not a lesser percentage like patts) then it matters.


pattersons and listons records at the top level are much better than the K bros.

 

Patterson fought:
Alix2
Liston x2
Quarry x2
Ellis
Bonavena
Machen
Chuvalo
Cooper
Johannson x3


Liston fought:
Ali x2
Patterson x2
Williams x2
Machen
Folley
DeJohn
Valdes

It's always amusing when Johnny come lately's think they can rewrite history to suit their agendas.

 

that's interesting - how does his line of reasoning achieve that.

Remember this in your answer, its HIS line of reasoning...not your planet Klit reverse meaning of his reasoning.

 

Patterson was a LHW/Cruiserweight down on the canvas TWENTY times...him or his opponents are not remotely on Vitalis level only a fool would argue that,just look at the comment above ^^^^^


Liston fought nobodies he beat Patterson...reference the above ^

 

you've not answered the post, and posted irrelevant lies.

why did you do that? usually people answer a post when they quote it.


self termitnated again...

 

Thanks. I don't see how anyone can see it any other way. What happened, happened.. There was no rematch Claus and Vitali lost legitimately to an aged champion who had been talking about retirement for some time...

 

I cant see what part of 'Vitali lost' is difficult to understand.

Only in Klitscko land can a guy in his prime lose to an aging great and still be favoured over him in h2h prime fantasy fights.

Ive even seen people claiming Vitali is/was greater than Lewis.

 

I think that much of the past decade of controversy was prompted by two things:

1. The childish fit Vitali threw after the fight was rightfully halted.
2. Lewis making the mistake of entertaining the idea of a rematch when he probably should have just retired right there or just immediately signed to fight the next challenger..

By making claims about a possible rematch or offering to face the winner of Vitali-Johnson, Lewis left kiltshcko fans with a false sense of "entitlement." And naturally when he didn't deliver, the backlash was ten fold. In their minds He was no longer a great aging champion who defended his title and went out honorably but rather a coward. Over time this has grown into a feeling of certainty that Vitali would have beaten him so much to the extent that its practically erased the fact that he even beat Vitali the first time.. It's called disillusionment....

 

Hey who was Lewis's best PRIME opponent?you haven't answered that yet,but you mention Vitali who you claimed is not all that good anyway?:yep

 

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