Vitali Klitschko > Usyk > Wlad Klitschko

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  1. jusrnejm

    jusrnejm New Member Full Member

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    Agree, and Hrgovic himself admitted it was a mistake to not postpone the fight. But you have to understand that he was psychologically abused for literally years by being denied the chance for a heavyweight title fight despite being mandatory challenger, and denied good fights in general, so he jumped at the first opportunity he got.

    It doesn't completely justify his decision, it was still a mistake, I'm just explaining the underlying reason. Somebody stealing food because they're starving to death isn't the same as somebody who is well off stealing food just for fun. People's circumstances are considered relevant factors when judging their decisions.

    But that's a mistake I think Hrgovic won't make again. One mistake he might be making still is assuming he's a big power puncher, which to be fair he does have some brutal KOs since he put on weight (went over 108kg) but I think he's overestimating his punching power and thinks he can put anybody down.
     
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  2. Wizbit1013

    Wizbit1013 Drama go, and don't come back Full Member

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    He could have fought good fights if he hadn't been so stringent on taking such a high split of a purse when he had that position
    People were laughing at the offers made
     
  3. MaccaveliMacc

    MaccaveliMacc Boxing Addict Full Member

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    :roflmao:
     
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  4. jusrnejm

    jusrnejm New Member Full Member

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    Only top fighter I'm aware Hrgovic refused was Itauma, and that was because he already had 2 fights that year and got cut in both fights, and unlike Joyce and Adeleye Itauma is an undefeated big British prospect so it's highly likely the referee would have decided to stop the fight on cuts regardless of Hrgovic's ability and willingness to continue. So yeah, Hrgovic dodged a career destroying trap Warren set up for him and refused to destroy his career for a pittance, so Warren was mad and accused Hrgovic of pricing himself out. Instead Hrgovic decided to let the cuts heal, and if rumors are correct did something to reduce the chances of them happening again, which I won't enter into specifics about. It's also possible Hrgovic would have taken the fight but decided not to on advice of his trainer Abel Sanchez.

    That's the only situation I know of.

    You're welcome to try and enlighten us if you have something else.

    Just as an aside, it's hilarious to me this is even an argument, since Hrgovic, whatever people may think of him, is a top 5 boxer according to 3/4 organizations, and top 10 according to The Ring and BoxRec, yet earned less in his entire career than Ngannou in his first 2 boxing matches, and Ngannou isn't anywhere near top 10.

    But yeah let's talk about how Hrgovic demands too much for fights lol.

    This world that we live in...
     
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  5. Wizbit1013

    Wizbit1013 Drama go, and don't come back Full Member

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    You misunderstood

    His team were trying to make fighters with people like Parker who understandably said no because Hrgovic as mandatory was entitled to I believe 80 or 70 per cent of the purse

    Nobody was going to accept that deal, well nobody worthwhile

    Instead of budging he sat on his arse and fought De Mori Types inbetween

    You use Nganou as an example but that's poor
    As he had name value where as Hrgovic still to this day doesn't

    Nganou didn't deserve it from a sporting point of view, but the name value alone gave him that leverage
    Plus by this time Saudi involvement was peak and money was being thrown around

    It wasn't at the time Hrgovic initally held the mandatory post

    I blame the Saulands for alot of Hgovics issues as I can imagine he was advised to not budge on purse splits by a team that had very little in terms of pay days coming through at that point

    Regardless he could have been more accommodating and offered a different percentage if he really wanted to kick onwards

    He didn’t
     
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  6. jusrnejm

    jusrnejm New Member Full Member

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    Oh yeah Ngannou is definitely such a big name in boxing, definitely bigger than Hrgovic and more deserving of the Fury and Joshua fights and the money involved in them.

    Hrgovic's pathetic amateur career of being Youth World Champion, WSB champion, Olympic medalist, and then in professionals in top 5 according to 3/4 organizations and top 10 according to boxrec and the ring, all pales in comparison to Ngannou's extensive accomplishments in both amateur and professional boxing.

    Ngannou lasted less against Joshua than Jake Paul.

    But I guess Jake Paul is also just such a massive name compared to Hrgovic so it's fine he gets 90 million for one fight against Joshua while Hrgovic shouldn't even get proper scraps.

    My bad bro. Everything is right in the world.

    You win.
     
  7. Wizbit1013

    Wizbit1013 Drama go, and don't come back Full Member

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    Stop acting like a spolit brat



    At what point do I say it's right?

    And unfortunately for not just Hrgovic but most professional boxers, the fight with Fury made him a bigger name in boxing

    The casual pound makes the world go round
     
  8. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Obsessed with Boxing

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    And who did either brother beat at all? Vitali lost to the two beset he fight, and Wladdy lost to bums.

    It is more than they didn't fight each other--the avenged each other's losses, Vitali beating Sanders and Wlad beating Byrd. They divided the division up. Usyk did it with no such partner.
     
  9. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Obsessed with Boxing

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    You don't seem to understand that Usyk is a cruiser, hence his PfP greatness dwarfing either brother.

    There is no disagreeing--a fight is a fight. Both Ali's wins over Frazier count, both Patterson's wins over Johanson, but Zale's over Graziano, all five of Robinson's over LaMaotta...etc. This is nothing new.


    They avenged each other, rather than standing on their own feet. The point has been made.
     
  10. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Obsessed with Boxing

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    Wlad's problem was his chin, and thus, he let Vitali take Briggs. It is how they did things. They divided the division. The division started long before Vitali's return.

    Yes, with a reign filled with Pianeta, Wach, etc. there was plenty of room for JCG, Birggs, and even Adamek.
     
  11. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Obsessed with Boxing

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    Rematches are part of boxing. Without rematches, there can never be great trilogies. Casual thinking.
     
  12. shrap

    shrap New Member Full Member

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    :jaja-no:there's a lot of stupidity in this thread but this little nugget really deserves to be highlighted.
     
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  13. theanatolian

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    Shannon Briggs, really? 40 year old version of the Briggs, who hadn't fought anyone with a pulse in years, and last time he did so got schooled by a guy who Wlad already beat? Really? Wlad who went out of his way to get the fight made with prime David Haye, who chased his mandatory challenger Povetkin, even travelling to his backyard, hostile territory in Russia, who at the ****ing age 41, travelled to the backyard of the biggest hyped prospect since Riddick Bowe who also had the reputation of 2nd coming of Mike Tyson, avoided ****ing ancient Shannon Briggs? Really?

    Prime Wach would've beat that version of Briggs. Pianeta may well have as well. It would've been cherrypick of the highest order, would've been even bigger a cherrypick than ancient Hashim Rahman (who was a late replacement to Povetkin). If this is trolling and you're just having a laugh, then apoligies. But, with respect, your argument is an outright lie and simply bizarre hatred.

    I specifically stated that my argument was for during Wlad's reign, 2006-2015. During that time how they did things was Wlad ruling over the division, Vitali feasting on the leftovers.

    Both Adamek (who couldn't crack an egg with his punches at HW, so you implying in the first paragraph that Wlad let his brother handle the big punchers and then mention him in the second increases my suspicion of you just trolling) and Gomez were WBC #1 challengers which was why Vitali fought them. Wlad was already dealing with mandatory challengers of 2 to 3 belts, you also wanted him to take care of his brother's mandatories as well?
     
  14. OldSchoolBoxing

    OldSchoolBoxing Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I have a feeling Klitschkos are jealous of Usyk.
     
  15. MorvidusStyle

    MorvidusStyle Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Wlad is better than Vitali and would KO him. Wlad could absolutely take shots from Dr Pillow-hammer, but nobody takes too many clean bombs from Wlad, especially Vitali with his chin sticking out and no defence but his height and footwork.

    Vitali is a stiff robot as Fury rightly said. I doubt Usyk has much trouble beating him at all. Think about how Usyk dealt with Fury, who is not a stiff robot and a creative fighter. Vitali is very predictable and Usyk would run circles around him. The fact Vitali doesn't have a big KO punch means there's basically no chance he can take out Usyk and overcome the boxing difference. He couldn't even take out Briggs after punching him for over half an hour straight. In fact that was basically every Vitali fight, watching him desperately trying to KO everyone for half an hour.

    Wlad is an actual threat to Usyk due to his massive power. It means a mistake from Usyk could cost him since Wlad only needs to connect well to win at any point.