Vitali Klitschko > Usyk > Wlad Klitschko

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by jusrnejm, Feb 3, 2026.


  1. jusrnejm

    jusrnejm New Member Full Member

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    I explained already that IMO Usyk fought below his weight class in cruiser, many cruisers are just smaller heavyweights that cut weight, but being smaller doesn't mean you're less dangerous, Usyk is same weight and actually a bit heavier now than Mike Tyson and Holyfield, while being taller than them.

    Again, it would be another thing if somebody like Floyd Mayweather did what Usyk did in heavyweight, that would be an actually significant size disparity. But for Usyk it's really not impressive at all, to me it's like Crawford fighting Canelo and supposedly being the underdog because he was going up a weight class, when Crawford was fighting below his weight until then, he is slightly taller and has longer reach than Canelo, while being an overall superior boxer, so I disagreed with Canelo being the favorite, and ended up being right.

    Stop me.

    Wlad avenged himself against Brewster, Vitali wanted to avenge himself against Lennox, the most dangerous fighter he faced, Lennox refused. You ignored that, it definitely proves they can stand on their own feet.

    Avenging each other is a brotherhood thing to do + for media publicity like I said.

    Vitali stood on his feet against 15 different heavyweight title contenders. Wlad against 26. Usyk vs 3.

    Seems to me it's Usyk's standing game that's lacking.
     
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  2. jusrnejm

    jusrnejm New Member Full Member

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    Ah, the „u stoopid“, always a good argument.

    I made several claims there, the only one that is disputable is the one about sparring with Usyk, the rest are easily verifiable facts. And if you look at Bakole's style and what Chisora did to Usyk the first few rounds it's not a stretch at all to trust that Bakole won a few rounds in sparring while fresh. I'd still have Usyk as a favorite if they fought as I think he's skilled enough to avoid the KO early and would outpoint Bakole due to superior stamina.
     
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  3. jusrnejm

    jusrnejm New Member Full Member

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    Yeah guy for sure, Wlad couldn't KO Fury and Joshua who have both been dropped multiple times, but he's going to KO a guy who has never even been knocked down, much less knocked out. To be fair, that was Wlad at 39 and against Joshua at 40+. But before that Wlad also went 12 rounds with Povetkin (who's been TKO'd by multiple others), Wach (who's been TKO'd by multiple others), and Jennings (who's been TKO'd by multiple others). So yeah, very reasonable claim, guy.

    And for sure, Vitali, who even in his only 2 losses which were a freak injury and a freak cut which never happened before or again, was winning on points, would suddenly be losing on points against Usyk, when he took rounds from much more dangerous fighters than Usyk, and although I'd admit none of Vitali's wins were on Usyk's level overall (like Usyk's opponents weren't on level of prime Vitali either), many were smaller and faster than Vitali, built and boxed similar to Usyk.

    And for sure the guy who has 41 KO's out of 45 wins is „pillow-fisted“ just because he boxes patiently, taking rounds and knockout if it comes it comes (and 41 out of 45 times it came), instead of trying to force a KO every round. And it looked to me like he enjoyed beating Briggs as long as the fight allowed him because of Briggs trash talk, didn't look like he was trying to finish him at all.

    Ironic how you criticize Vitali's punching power when you're defending Usyk, who has KO'd only 1 out of only 4 people he fought in HW lol.
     
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  4. OddR

    OddR Well-Known Member Full Member

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    How come?
     
  5. Cojimar 1946

    Cojimar 1946 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    They weren't a factor at cruiserweight and some of those like Breidis were extremely competitive. Which proves he didn't have to agree to any of them at heavyweight.

    If it was just part of boxing he would have been forced to take them at cruiserweight too logically

    Funny how Floyd has fewer rematches than Usyk with twice the fights. Rematches with Oscar and Pac presumably would have been huge paydays for him but he managed to wriggle out. Amazing isn't it.
     
  6. OldSchoolBoxing

    OldSchoolBoxing Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Because Klitschkos are ambitious and Usyk achieved more than them.

    Boxers are jealous of each other, especially retired older boxers can’t stand the success of younger fighters.
     
  7. brb

    brb Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I'm sure Wlad wishes he was undisputed. I mean he was almost there - who wouldn't be annoyed. I don't think Vitali gives a shi*. He just seems like that type of person to me.
     
  8. Mordechai

    Mordechai Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I am a life long boxing and klitschko fan, but usyk beats vitali clearly by decision and has a great fight with wlad and beats wlad in a close fight
     
  9. brb

    brb Boxing Addict Full Member

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    How does Usyk beat Vitali? I think Vitali can take Usyk's punches and turns it into a brawl. Usyk would eventually retreat and try to potshot, but Vitali is too long and Usyk gets the worst of it.
     
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  10. Mordechai

    Mordechai Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Usyk is way faster, southpaws, very hard to hit with big shots and a great counter puncher with permanent pressure + technical great with his headmovement and fast feet. Vitali is to slow for him imo and his jab is not good enough to disrupt usyks offense. Wlads jab would be way tougher for usyk
     
  11. Grinder

    Grinder Dude, don't call me Dude Full Member

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    I don't agree about using the Chisora fight as a comparison, as Usyk was clearly using it to work out how to fight at HW. However, I do agree that Vitali should beat Usyk, given his size, power, chin and underrated boxing skills. Usyk would need to box an excellent fight to outpoint Vitali- i don't see Usyk winning by KO.
     
  12. Grinder

    Grinder Dude, don't call me Dude Full Member

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    By your logic, Fundora should fight at HW. Unfortunately your logic is not aligned with reality. Weight is what matters. Sure, a big tub of lard may be a useless boxer, but the assumption is that we are talking about professional boxers, who train hard and have decent skills and stamina.

    That is, the old adage "size matters" rings true. When they say size, they mean weight - the reason there are weight classes.

    Usyk is fighting significantly heavier men, bigger men. The disparity with Usyk's opponents is incomparable to anyone else's opponents in recent history, even Lomachenko. Inoue is fighting slightly bigger opponents. Crawford fought a much more solid and well adjusted SMW in Canelo, but he was easy to outbox, and not really much bigger than Crawford.
     
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  13. Grinder

    Grinder Dude, don't call me Dude Full Member

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    I agree, but this is why ducking is so frustrating. In 5 years we will be arguing who would have won between Canelo and Benavidez, but we will never know, even though it appears almost certain that Benavidez would have won.
     
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  14. CroBox29

    CroBox29 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Vitali — the nightmare matchup. Granite chin, awkward rhythm, relentless pressure. On eye test alone, he’s a problem for literally anyone.

    Usyk — skill-for-skill wizard. Footwork, angles, gas tank, ring IQ… he makes elite heavyweights look confused.

    Wlad — the most dominant résumé of the three, but also the most system-dependent. When the jab + grab worked, it was clinical; when it didn’t, things unraveled fast.
     
  15. brb

    brb Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Usyk isn't that much faster than Vitali. I doubt that Usyk would be applying permanent pressure. Usyk has a very good chin - maybe better than Vitali's, but I don't think you can play rock'em sock'em robots with Vitali and win.
     
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