Vitali Klitschko vs. a prime Corrie Sanders

Well I dont even think it takes an all time great one. It just takes an adequate one who knows what their doing that comes in shape.
Thats why Briggs has a very small shot, because he knows how to get his righthand in, but he will never make the sacrifices in the gym to prepare himself correctly.

 

LH31 I'm not a fan of Vitali's technique, but in essence he is a fighter that is hell to fight because of his height and rangyness combined with his use of range and high workrate stamina. There is certainly plenty of holes in his game but these strengths make those holes harder to exploit

 

He kind fumbles when he's pressured though. It offsets his workrate that's why I say it has to be someone who knows what their doing. Sanders knew what he was doing but he was in no kind of shape.

 

:huh

I must disagree with these observations. Pressure doesn't do anything but give Vitali the openings he needs.

Sanders hurt him with a counter off the ropes. When Sanders pressed, he didn't land anything.

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Clearly not gassed yet, Sanders actually went for broke in Round 6(8 minutes into this clip_. He hurt Vitali early in the round and pressed hard....only to hit air and get his face bloodied from constant right hand counters.

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Again, Vitali feeds off pressure. Its spoilers that confuse him. He looks like a ponderous oaf when he has to lead.

 

Corrie Sanders had a prime? When was that?

 

Sanders shoved him down if you watch the film closely. Sanders was an unusual mix of size, speed, and power that came at his opponents from the southpaw stance. Sanders could upset a lot of guys. The shot he caught Vitali with to the side of the head in round one likely drops most Ring Magazine champs, with a good chance to produce a KO’s or set up a TKO. Taking a punch early in round one when you don’t see it coming is one of the hardest things to do in boxing.


No adaptive skills? LOL, did you not see Vitali work the body more and understand he was not going to out speed Sanders from the inside? I think Vitali showed plenty for adaptive skills, and ring generalship in this fight.

Maybe one day you’ll give Vitali some credit. He not just a big guy who has a height, weight, strength, arm length, and chin over his opponents. He is in fact an active puncher, a counter puncher, skilled at making his man miss, can land punches from multiple angles, and is hardly a stationary fighter.


Can you show me another 38-39 year old champ who breezed through 4 top ten level guys in a row? You might have to go back 50 years and even than that guy was up and down like a yo-yo in some of his fights.

After Vitali defeats Briggs ( There is nothing Carols can teach Briggs ), there is a chance he and Adamek will be fighting in Madison Square Garden on March 8, 2011. Since Haye and Povetkin have no guts, might as well view Adamek as the #3 man out there behind the Klitschko’s.

 

Lennox Lewis came with full pressure to Vitali and was roughed up for the first 3 - 4 rounds. Very few fighters in history would have made it out of the 2nd round of that fight with Vitali. Hide tried to pressure him with his speed. What the fukc are you talking about? Vitali is one of the most difficult HW's ever to hit cleanly, he has awesome reflexes for a guy of his size.

 

I disagree, I don't think Vitali can be beaten by spoiling, your essentially fighting him off the back foot, which is his range, which makes it comfortable. Kevin Johnson made Vitali look foolish but Kevin was never winning the fight by sitting back and waiting to counter

Sanders doesn't really know how to apply pressure properly, when Vitali is running backwards and leaning back from punches there are openings. You have to get inside his jab or mid range to get off. You really need to slip his somewhat sloppy jab and counter it as you slip inside.

Lennox figured out that he needed to come inside and pressure and it showed Lennox wasn't really thatgreat at slipping shots because he had never had to, but he still managed to walk Vitali down

 

mh...

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vitali doesn't have one punch ko power.

 

I dont know how you can make these statements.
Sanders was mediocre, he came in horrible shape, yet when he fought in spurts, he clearly had Vitali fumbling around the ring and hurt him. Lewis kept this same kind of sustained attack, and within five rounds Vitali was forced to quit. Vitali is one of the most overated champs in HW history, thats what you should have said. Sure hes difficult to hit by subpar opposition, but even an out of shape part time fighter was able to expose his clear weaknesses.

 

This coming from a schmuck with Vitali in his avatar. THats the funny thing about Klitschko fans, everyone that doesnt think they're the greatest are a bunch of idiots This entire thread is full if idiots.:nut. Its amazing the un penetrable spell the Klitschko's cast on their clueless fans.

 

He beat him to a pulp definitely, but Sanders visited the canvas in his other losses and some of his wins as well. Against Vitali, he was walking in wide open while getting hit with flush counter punches on the chin, and was still standing on his two feet by the end of the fight.

 

I give Vitali credit (in the proper context). As Ive said hes a good fighter, but his dominance is all relative to the opposition hes facing. Its just not great, and you keep saying top ten guys, but some of those top ten guys might have been in the bottom 20 in a better era, so its all relative. I dont know how you could get excited about Adamek who lost to a light heavy and was just busted up pretty good by Mike Grant. He offers no kind of offensive threat either.
Shannon Briggs in my opinion will be the most dangerous one punch opponent Vitali has faced outside of Lewis, because of his height and the way he throws his righthand, and that speaks volumes to how **** poor his competition has been.

 

-Johnson doesn't have a right hand counter either. To clarify, you need to make Vitali miss and make him pay for his misses. The Pin only fought half the fight he needed to fight. He still had more success than Arreola's bull rushing, actually landing some decent punches in the early rounds and causing cuts. I think a sneaky right hand counter puncher would be ideal for beating him...Joe Louis. Chambers oddly enough would have given him more problems than most anybody else in the top 10.

-Sanders has been an effective pressure fighter in almost every other fight. He knows what hes doing. Vitali has great reflexes and counters with arm punches from weird angles, I've never seen him fold after someone rushed him..quite the opposite, it allows him to open up and score with clean punches in bunches. I think more educated pressure that forces him to lead and miss..like say a Tyson, Frazier, or Marciano would be effective against him. But bullying just isn't going to work I'm afraid.

-Lewis fought Vitali like a giant John Ruiz, he spoiled his boxing with wrestling and rough housing on the inside. I really wouldn't call that pressure though. I don't think bull charging Vitali makes him fold....too many sluggers like Sanders, Peter, Arreola, and Williams have done tried that..resulting in Vitali's best looking performances.