Vitali Klitschko vs. a prime Corrie Sanders

So the dominance is all relative to the opposition?! Ok, then how come Ali lost more rounds to Doug Jones and Jimmy Young than Vitali did in his entire professional boxing career?

How come Louis lost more rounds to Farr and Godoy in the 1st fights than Vitali lost in his entire professional career?

I would really like to see someone reply to this. No one ever does. You seem to know your stuff. Are you up for the task in answering these questions, Lefthook?

Neither Jones, Young, Farr or Godoy was above or beyond the best fighters Vitali beat. I highly doubt Vitali would lose more than 3 rounds to Jones, Young, Pastor and Godoy, and part of the reason is he can box.

 

Yes but if you turn that on it's head I struggle to see Ali losing to Chris Byrd, or getting TKO'd by Lewis :hi:

 

I was not talking to you. By the way Ali once lost an amatuer match on cuts. I doubt you were aware of that. Now you are. Ali lost to Leon Spinks, who's no where near Lewis' class.

 

Ah the ams....OK then VITLAY got KO'd by Maskaev in the ams, seeing as you want to go down that route.

Ali avenged the Spinks loss despite being a shell. How many times has VITLAY avenged a loss? :hi:

 

Lewis did not have the guts to give Vitali a re-match. :deal

Don King would not re-match match Byrd with a title for many years.

Vitlai did not get Ko'd by Maskeav KO is a ten count. He withdrew from a leg injury suffered as a kick boxer. :hi:

 

So your thread about Lewis getting KO'd twice with one punch is in fact wrong then?

The Lewis rematch had nothing to do with guts....Ali V Spinks went the distance both times. VITLAY couldn't last more than 6 rounds with an out of shape, not focused Lewis. If there had been a rematch then Lewis would have been in shape and focused, probably would have been over in 3.

So Don King 'protected' Byrd after he beat VITLAY? Funny that cos I've got a vivid memory of WALDO beating him not long after he made VITLAY quit.

 

Simple answer to your question Mendoza. Ali wasn't 6'7 and was more apt to mixing it up with his opponent. Vitali is safety first and uses every bit of his height and more the way he leans back and jabs, but that doesn't really mean **** in my opinion. I'd rather a fighter take a few more chances to keep the crowd awake at the cost of dropping a round or two.

 

Fair points, but it's just as poignant to point out Ali's age against Jones, and how shot he was against Young if you ask me.

It's easy to produce "rounds won" stats when your guy has faced bums and over the hill or obese contenders his whole career. It's quality that counts here, and Mendoza never mentions that, he just produces meaningless stats.....when VITLAY gets into a war of attrition, he loses, simple as that. Ali can't be accused of doing the same, neither can the likes of Tyson, Holyfield, Lewis, Ali, Foreman etc. Mendoza hates that fact so he brings up the 'rounds won' **** every time he can and claims ownage - despite the fact VITLAY has probably the weakest HW champs resume in history.

Note in other threads he's already trying to big up Briggs, just in case he lands the KO shot. It's both amusing and depressing at the same time.

 

Ali more apt to mixing it up? Ali did not throw as many punches, and used even less hooks, uppercuts, and body shots.

I agree being 6'7" 1/2 helps a lot as an out fighter, but it is part of the package for talent. I see you have no reply to why Ali or Louis, two universally accepted top 4 ATG's dropped more rounds to guys who would be at best fringe level contenders today than than Vitlai did in his entire career. And no, it was far more than a round or two that Louis and Ali lost to the likes of Farr, Godoy, Jones, and Young.

One day maybe you'll see Vitali is pretty accurate with his punches.

 

Um, Ali fought and defeated Liston less than a year before he edged Doug Jones. Ali's best filmed performance is probably the 1st Liston fight. Not sure you can play the age card here. Ali's prime started early.

Ali was a few months past his 34th birthday when he meet Young. On the decline, but not shot. By the way Vitali has never picked a title opponent as poor as Cooperman or Dunn.

At age 39, the top talent is still avoiding him. Vitali has all his facilities, partly due to good defense, which is something he does not get credit for.

Really, then why do several all time greats struggle vs. Lesser competition, but Vitali does not. Vitali's losses are due to a fluke shoulder injury, and a cut vs an ATG...he was winning both fights, and took both fights on less than 2 weeks notice. Just shows how good he was in the ring. Wanna tally up the score cards vs an ATG, and the Ring Magazine #1 guy. Try 12-3 or 11-4.

 

I did answer you just didnt get it. Being safety first, using a massive height advantage, and fighting at a bigger distance is the reason. Ali and Louis fought at closer distances than Vitali it has everything to do with fighting styles. Again dropping a round or two is meaningless if they are still winning one sidedly, especially if its more entertaining.

 

You'd like a fighter to take chances!!!!

Excuse me why I laugh like a drain - After all the praise you bestow on fight dodging belt binning Riddick Bowe!!! Christ, Bowe even makes David Haye look like a genuine take on all comers warrior...

 

Look I told you Bowe is 100% responsbile for not taking on Lewis but its understandable why he didnt from a financial standpoint, just like Vitali is 100% responsible for not getting HBO dates because he takes the safe way to a victory and puts the crowd to sleep, one thing Riddick Bowe never did, thats why HBO televised his fights against Ferguson or Dokes and why Showtime carried on that same tradition against fighters like Donald and Mathis Jr. :verysad

 

Vitaly by KO.

Sanders was never that good a fighter and he was aggrandized by some because he beat an overconfident Wladimir Klitschko.

He went to war with Hasim Rahman and lost.

You tell me.

 

Love em or hate em the Klitchskos would be massively televised if they were American - Larry Holmes was not the most exciting fighter ever and he was prime time TV.
Now spin it as 2 white American world champion brothers...a licence to print money!!