Vitali Klitschko Vs. Evander Holyfield? ( Both in Prime )

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  1. Valane

    Valane Active Member Full Member

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    I don't see it tbh, he looks like he has always thrown his punches the same way. He has slowed down a lot through injury though granted.

    K.O percentage is deceptive. There is a big difference between clean knocking your opponent out when you land and gradually breaking down your opponent over the course of the fight.

    Holy was a very good mover/boxer in his prime when he chose to be.
     
  2. brb

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    How does Holy box his way to a win, when Haye who is taller than Holy had a hard time hitting Wlad in the chin because of the size + defense of Wlad? Not to mention, Vitali is also taller than Wlad.

    How is Holy a much better boxer than Vitali?

    Vitali proved he has top tier boxing ability in the amateurs (195-15) compared to Holy's amateur record (160-14).

    How is Holy going to "brawl" his way to a win when he can barely hit Vitali and doesn't have the power to KO him even if he did hit him?

    Vitali would be hitting Holy at will.
     
  3. Valane

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    Haye had a hard time hitting anything because he wasn't throwing punches, he is a cautious counter puncher who potshots. He has no in fighting ability, nor does he possess the chin to take risks, he can't lead either...

    Amateurs is amateurs, it's a point scoring exercise that has little to do with the pro game anymore. Just watching video footage is enough to tell you the difference.

    Vitali doesn't land big numbers on anybody with movement.
     
  4. gattiwarrior

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    holyfield hits vitali at ease using his speed of foot and controlling distance , vitali is far to slow in hand and foot to match this

    do you honestly think that vitali can match holyfields workrate especially in his prime if it was a brawl?? , again speed of punches , combinations wins this fight for holyfield quite easliy

    vitali is far to slow who only punches once or twice at a time ,holyfielf throws 5-6 in his prime
     
  5. brb

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    Vitali holds the record for most punches thrown in a HW title fight.

    So, yes I think he could handle it.

    Lennox tried to make it a brawl and he almost got taken out in the second round.

    If you think Vitali is slow there is nothing I can say about that. That is ridiculous.
     
  6. brb

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    Vitali landed ~130-140 punches on one of the most elusive fighters in the past era.

    If Vitali can land that many punches on prime Chris Byrd, who is much more defensive-oriented than Holy in 9 rounds; think about how many he could land on Holy in 12 rounds.
     
  7. Valane

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    Have you actually watched the Byrd fight? Vitali took the early rounds but then Byrd came on strong and aggressive and was having his way. Also Vitali was popping the left jab out constantly, the injury excuse is very dubious at best.
     
  8. Bazooka

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    Good arguement, However once a fighter notices that the other man has Zero power of course he is going to turn it up a notch he has nothing to fear, Byrd was never a puncher.....

    Holyfield is one of the best counter punchers in the game ever, who had a high work rate in his prime who had power, and great foot speed he also had amazing head movement beleive it or not, and he knew how to roll with shots, something that is rarley seen today in the sport....

    beleive Vitali would not have hit Evander as much as he did Byrd, if they went at it in their primes... Evander will hit you back no matter who you are Evander Holyfield would not let you just come there to beat his ass he fought until the end... the moment that Vitali started getting nailed with Counter shots, thats when you would have seen a different Vitali...

    and even though Vitali hit Byrd with that many shots he still lost and quit in that fight....

    still a tuff fight to pick a winner I like Holy in a close but clear UD.
     
  9. brb

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    Several, several times.

    I still don't know what people are talking about "Byrd was coming on strong".

    All he was doing was catching Vitali's punches with his glove.

    Again, Vitali was up on the scorecards and Byrd had no chance to win the fight if it continued, but that's Vitali's fault.

    If there was an immediate rematch Vitali would roll on him.

    Tell me you would pick Byrd to win the immediate rematch, tell me.
     
  10. Valane

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    Yes. Byrd was making Vitali miss a lot and he was hitting him with crisp clean shots as the fight went on. He seemed to be planting his punches more so in this fight than others. I had him up when Vitali quit and gaining momentum.

    It's a style thing, Vitali beats brawlers with relative ease but struggles against guys with movement.

    I'm a Vitali fan but i call it as i see it, Byrd for whatever reason was giving him all kinds of trouble.
     
  11. brb

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    How can you reasonably say you had Byrd up?

    Vitali was pressing the action and landed more punches.

    His punches carried alot more than Byrd's as well.
     
  12. TheGreat

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    I would also add that Byrd land only 8 fewer shots, yet if you bring this up most Klit fans will bite your head off and call you a hater. IMO Vitali isn't versatile enough to beat a peak Holy.
     
  13. TheGreat

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    He landed only 8 more shots, and the injury excuse is BS, 41 yr old Holyfield tore his rotator cuff against byrd in the 2nd round and fought on, in fact he hurt Byrd late in the fight. Byrd was never walking the old and injured Holyfield down the way he was walking down Vitali.
     
  14. TheGreat

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    Vitali has decent speed for a man his size but young Holyfield would have a big speed advantage.
     
  15. Masamune

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    Holyfield of 92,93 @ 210 pounds - too much mobility , heart and ring craft for pole up the ass arm punching Vitali .

    Apart from the Lewis fight have we ever seen Vitali put under the kind of pressure for round after round that a peak of his powers Evander would bring ?

    we all know how big a heart the holyfield of old had when the chips were down but what about Vitali ?