Vitali Klitschko vs Evander Holyfield

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  1. Man_Machine

    Man_Machine Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Bigger? Goes without saying and it's about the only thing he has going for him in this one.

    Tougher? Can't say I saw any real distinction in favor of Vitali, in this department, but Holyfield fought the tougher opposition and never quit in his prime. Instead, fighting through some quite questionable health and fitness.

    Vitali "will impose himself"? In what way? It's not like Vitali is going up against either a Herbie Hide, a Danny Williams or dare I include a Great, like Sam Peter, is it?


    Holyfield lost to only Bowe and Moorer in his prime; neither of whom i would call "much lesser fighters than Vitali". More to the point is that prime versions of Bowe and Moorer are both substantially better than any opponent Vitali ever beat.

    Vitali had something quite distant from a glorious career and is best known for his losses, which leaves very little to go on, when matching him up against genuinely great heavyweights.

    Of course, people can dream.
     
  2. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Holyfield beat Bowe who imo beats Vitali. What's Vitali's best win?
    And Vitali ain't tougher than Holyfield!
    Holyfield fought a who's who of the division.
    Vitali missed
    Tyson
    Tua
    Holyfield
    Chagaev
    Povetkin
    Oquendo
    Fury
    Pulev
    Helenius
    All ranked when he was. His resume is **** poor.
     
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  3. Mendoza

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    He doesn't have losses to lesser men, nor does he have any close fights to lesser men. Holy has a few. Why can't you acknowledge this? Why? That is the problem.

    Vitali beat plenty of contenders, some of who where better than the opponents who beat Holyfield. Fact. Larry Donald anyone? Wanna compare who did better with Vaughn Bean?

    The fights Vitali lost were due to an injury when he was well out in front, and cut when he was ahead vs elite level fighters. No re-match was accepted. Anyone could lose under these circumstances.
     
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  4. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    Um, how many of these guys were actually ranked while Vitali was an active champion?

    Vitali would have beaten the **** out of Holyfield when he was champion. Everybody knows that.

    Holy missed out on plenty too:

    Ike
    Morrison
    Golota
    McCall
    Bruno
    Ruddock
    McCall
    Hide
    Tua
    Briggs
    Witherspoon

    I could list more. Your point is meaningless. Key point, all of the above guys I listed were Ranked when Holy was active in the 1990's. If would have been nice if Haye or Valuev had the balls to fight Vitali. They didn't. It would have been nice if Lewis accept the re-match, he didn't.
     
  5. THE BLADE 2

    THE BLADE 2 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I can't understand how anybody in he world can question Evander's toughness. As a small heavyweight, he fought anybody, including elite heavyweights who were much bigger than him. He has been in countless wars.

    On the other hand, I can't recall Vitali being in too many wars.And his toughness can be questioned somewhat on the basis of the Byrd fight where he quit.
     
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  6. WAR01

    WAR01 In the 7.2% Full Member

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    Fun thread needs a bump.
     
  7. VVMM

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    This "small" Holyfield had incredible muscle mass he outmuscled his opponent. several times. He was one of the most
    muscular and ripped World Champion in the boxing history.Please forget this " Poor Holy was small and fragile" stupidity !
     
  8. JohnThomas1

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    It's a Holy decision for me. Vitali is extremely straight forward and Holyfield's skill should mean the difference. By no means would it be a walk in the park due mostly to size.
     
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  9. WAR01

    WAR01 In the 7.2% Full Member

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    He was juiced to the gills and would **** so hot he would turn a lake into steam, where do we get this Holyfield was a weak heavyweight crap from?

    because he was a Crusier and wasn't very big framed? So? strength has nothing to do with wide shoulders and wrist measurements like god be damned with this "naturally bigger" argument it is what it is.
     
  10. mcvey

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    Holyfield fought

    Douglas
    Lewisx2
    Oquendo
    Rahman
    Ruiz x3
    Ibragimov
    Valuev
    Tysonx2
    Dokes
    Toney
    Byrd
    Moorer x2
    Botha
    Donald
    Mercer
    Stewart x2
    Foreman
    Thomas
    Holmes
    Cooper
    Deleon
    Bean
    Bowe x3
    Ruiz x3

    He was
    38 when he lost to Ruiz
    40 when he lost to Byrd
    41when he lost to Toney less 6 days
    42 when he lost to Donald
    45 when he lost to Ibragimov less 9 days
    46 when he lost to Valuev
    42 when he lost to Donald
    Vitali's resume isnt on the same chart!
    Vitali did not rematch Byrd.
    Holyfield wanted to fight the Klits, they preferred easier meat.

    ps All those I named Vitali did not fight were ranked whilst he was.
     
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  11. THE BLADE 2

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    thank you!
     
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  12. Pugilist Specialist

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    Vitali would smoke Roid Deal by unanimous decision or ref stoppage after battering Headbuttfield for 10 rounds.. Holyfield’s headbutts wouldn’t work on a super tall guy and his power wouldn’t worry Vitali
     
  13. mcvey

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    He's going to do what Lewis couldn't in two fights?
     
  14. Fergy

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    Holyfield on points but can't see it being easy tbh.
     
  15. Mendoza

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    Watch the Sherman Williams fight. Holyfield gets cut, then says I cannot go anymore the very next round! He quit and was saved by the cut rule due to a clash of heads inside 4 rounds. If you're being honest, Holyfield used his head as a weapon several times. The guy was a dirty fighter, low blows and such. Also on PED's. Yes he did fight larger men. Bowe whipped him badly, Lewis won both times. The larger in shape big men he fought defeated Holy and I showed you he wasn't good vs. the top jabbers either.

    If they fought from 1999-2004 Vitali would have badly beaten him....badly.

    Vitali would exchange when needed. He didn't run from exchanges. He has such control of fights his fights, was too active for the other guy, and could counter. Most could not take his power either.

    Better post? I shorted them up as you skip the longer ones.