Vitali Klitschko vs Evander Holyfield

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  1. George Crowcroft

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    And Young actually didn't stop him
     
  2. El Hans

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  3. George Crowcroft

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  4. El Hans

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    I dont understand why you're telling me I'm aware Ive seen the fight (sadly) when referring to Foreman stopping Foreman I was talking about the rumble my man.
     
  5. El Hans

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    Someone else was referring to Foreman being stopped by two average punchers i found it humorus.
     
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  6. Heavy_Hitter

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    Vitaly by UD or TKO late
     
  7. cuchulain

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    Klitschko.

    I rank Holy 11-14 all-time and Vitali 19 or 20.

    But h2h, I think Vitali takes this.
     
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  8. George Crowcroft

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    Sorry bro. I assumed that you meant by Young, that was what I put in my post and you replied with a question mark
     
  9. Ra's Al-Ghul

    Ra's Al-Ghul The one and only! Full Member

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    Have you watched any of these fights actual?:dunno
    It was rather a draw and Holyfield got gifted, but he profit by the circumstances of the para-clyder and the break which happened due to it.
    Bowe had his number clearly and outclassed him the other times: Why has barely anyone (apart of me) him in the top 20 but Dopingfield higher, often top 10?
    I read recently a fight report there was noticed that Tyson had in the first fight Holyfield out of his feet (maybe in round 3 and possible 7 too), when he landed some of his best bombs. Also had he this success in the first round of their rematch and early vs. Lewis (in the first 4 - 5 rounds, which were close). But he was from that point onwards handicaped by deep cuts, caused by headbutts, which were tactic.

    There was no immediately rematch between Holyfield and Moorer, they fought more than 3 years later, after the second one got knocked out by 45 years old Foreman. So it is rather pointless, is just as significant as the revenges match of Klitschko against Brewster or of Maske vs. Hill.
    Klitschko was far more constant and had a lot more successful defences in row; well you will mention Holyfield was four times champion (Klitschko just three), but he had to lose it at least four times too therefore. Actual has he narrowly about as many defeats as wins in world championships in the Heavyweight and Klitschko has in this the greater achievement in my view (but it might be tight).
     
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  10. Bonecrusher

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    I have watched Holyfield vs Tyson no fewer than 20 times. At no point is Holyfield EVER out on his feet, I have to assume you’re trolling. Holyfield was stunned in a few fights even hurt badly in a few the Tyson fight isn’t one of them. Mike may have gotten his attention with the first punch of the fight and he landed a nice uppercut to the body and head in round 5 but Holyfield took all his punches and was never hurt.. He gave Tyson an absolute beat down in fight 1 and was on his way to repeating the feat in fight 2.

    The stoppage because of Fan Man during Holyfield - Bowe 2 helped Bowe not Holyfield. Holyfield was putting it on him!!

    I have massive respect for Klistchko but trying to hedge your argument for him on resumes is foolish. Holyfield literally ran a Heavyweight gauntlet. AFTER completely cleaning out the Cruiserweight division. Qawi, Deleon, Tillman, Ocasio, Parkey.

    Tillis and Thomas neither at their best but Holyfield completely dominated them.
    Dokes (former champ in very good form for this fight)
    Stewart twice (1st fight he was unbeaten)
    Rodriguez (highly ranked at the time
    Buster Douglas (The Tyson Destroyer)
    Foreman (you can say he’s old but he was still very dangerous and unbeaten in his comeback prior to this and could’ve beaten most active Heavyweights at this time )
    Cooper (because Tyson pulled out very tough guy when his heads right)
    Holmes (upsetting Mercer got him his shot and Holmes was still a very tough out )
    Bowe (all 3 fights are great back and forth)
    Mercer (only man to drop a Prime Ray Mercer)
    Tyson twice (Completely dominates Tyson)
    Moorer (bounced him off the canvas like a basketball, argument can be made he won first fight)
    Very competitive with Lennox Lewis in fight #2 and he was already way past his prime.

    Anything after that is a different guy way past his prime. He blew hot and cold as an older fighter
    But still had 3 competitive fights with belt Holder John Ruiz, by my recollection he should’ve won 1 for sure, one was really close and one he lost. He also beat Rahman. And as a REALLY old man was beating guys Savarese and Nielsen and even a guy like Fres Oquendo who is STILL around.

    PEOPLE THINK HE BEAT VALUEV when he was like 50!! Lol.

    That’s all from memory now if I’m doing Vitali in my head I got

    Brave loss to Lewis may have been on his way to victory.

    Fat Kirk Johnson
    Danny Williams

    Corrie Sanders (if I wanna throw shade for the sake of throwing shade like you I could say Sanders was knocked out cold in 2 rounds by Nate Tubbs not the former Heavyweight champ that’s Tony Tubbs, NATE TUBBS a 13 pro fights fighter.

    I think he beat Peter but after Wlad, Chisora, Charr, Arreola, Adamek, Briggs.

    It’s safe to say who had the better resume.

    I have to take Holyfield by decision.

    And for the record I lived thru both these guys Eras, no Box Rec or YouTube bs I have all the fights on VHS in my collection. I watched every fight Holyfield had live from my living room.
     
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  11. El Hans

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    Simple misunderstanding.
     
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  12. Mendoza

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    Vitali wins it. Holy is 1-4 vs Lewis and Bowe on fair cards.
     
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  13. Mendoza

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    Wrong, he had a body shot and uppercut. Thanks to his mobility and conditioning, he kept the best range for him and did so guys who moved around as fast as the sometimes gassed Holyfield did.
     
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  14. Mendoza

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    Some corrections and comments if I may:

    Cooper floored Holyfield and Holy had a home town ref giving extra time

    Bowe beat Holy pretty bad in the first fight, it was not back and forth. Only in round ten and Holy was almost finished in that round

    An argument can be made that Holyfield beat Moorer in the first fight?? No way.

    An older Holmes cut Holy by the way. The Douglas win would be better if he was fat and opted not to get up.

    And he's 1-1-1 vs Ruiz.

    Tommy Morrison probably beat Foreman easier than Holyfield did.

    The fan man break of 17 minutes could have allowed an often gassed Holyfield time to re0fuel, and the win over Bowe was ver narrow, but a win.
     
  15. Bonecrusher

    Bonecrusher Lineal Champion Full Member

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    And now allow me to make some corrections

    Holyfield was given no extra time when knocked down by Cooper, you may be thinking about the break when Holyfield‘s glove was broken a few rounds later after he had been pummeling Cooper prior.

    Yes bowe decisively won fight number one I scored the second fight for Holyfield the third fight Holyfield almost had bowe out and put him down for the first time in his career.

    Holyfield was cut by an elbow from Holmes.

    The fact that Douglas didn’t get off the canvas is not Holyfield‘s fault he looks sensational in that fight.

    I mentioned the Ruiz fights and I also mention that Holyfield was past his best days yet still managed to win one and get a draw in one.

    Tommy Morrison ran away from an older George foreman all night The fight might’ve been wider on the scorecards but it definitely wasn’t more impressive in my opinion

    The fan man thing can be debated but what can’t be debated is at that time Holyfield was winning round after round from about the fourth round on and Bowe seemed to be definitely tiring.

    Out of Curiosity what would you consider Klitschko‘s signature win?
     
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