Vitali Klitschko vs Evander Holyfield

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  1. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    Holyfield is 5-0 vs Bowe , Holmes , Foreman , Douglas and Valeuv on fair scorecards.

    Vitali isn't in the same league as Bowe or Lewis.

    Bowe beating Holyfield is the best win at HW to date.

    Name 10 best wins at HW since 91/92 and I bet you won't see any by Vitali. Hell id go so far as to say he doesn't feature a win in the top 20.
     
  2. Mendoza

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    Lol holy 3-0 vs bowe on fair score cards????!!!!

    Do you realize how silly you look? Bowe ko’d him in the 3rd fight and win the 1st by a large margin. This type of stuff is why posters don’t take you seriously.

    Vitali is a first ballot hall of fame boxer that lead his class in votes.

    Can Bowe or Holyfield say that?
     
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    :lol: :lol: :lol:
    If only....
    :deal:
     
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  4. George Crowcroft

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    Ever? I'm not even convinced that it's the best win in that trilogy
     
  5. Ra's Al-Ghul

    Ra's Al-Ghul The one and only! Full Member

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    It seems you are superficially, as you didn't watch it careful; Holyfield himself said in an interview which was posted here recently, he took the hardest punches from Tyson, from all his opponents. Just as did who impress in the first round of their rematch, but lost his thread, because he got again a cut even that early, by a headbutt. But he was probable leading in the 3. round.

    You must be kidding or should watch the second Bowe vs. Holyfield fight again; no way was "Big Daddy" favoured by this interruption, he was clearly winning round 7 (the first two minutes) and it was a benefit for "The Real Deal", who was after the break for the rest of the round slightly better. Therefore gave two of the judges, just as Letterman this to the challenger, but they forgot what happened before (while I watched it on video and had no big interval like them, as the action continued about 45 minutes later).

    I meant in the Heavyweight accomplished Klitschko more, but not pound for pound, there might be Holyfield still higher rated. In the same division he has only a record in world title fights of 10 - 8 - 2, there he took advantage in each the first Lewis and Ruiz bouts (so it could be even a negative record), Klitschko has 15 - 2 (arguable 17 - 0). The Mercer one was close too. Just as against Oquendk, possible questionable even, who was past his best himself.

    He was just 45, what you know if you are honest (and this is really a big difference to 50, ask Hopkins). But anyone who has watched this fight unbiased (without Holyfield-blinkers), has Walujew comfortable winning and the scorcards were actual generous for Evander Holyfield, probably due to he was so much smaller, as most viewer prefer David over Goliath. Nothing less did "The Beast from the East" underperform, but dominated the second half (especially the last quarter).
    Here coukd be rather made an argument for Larry Donald and maybe for John Ruiz in their first encounter.

    I formulated it a bit more extreme (about Moorer among others), because of the dumb pretention of Blade that Klitschko had no chance against the worst Lewis (while who avoided the rematch) what he repeat here over and over again to annoy, although he got teached here and know it better.
    Sanders was generally recognized as second best heavyweight next to himself, at the time of their fight.

    While you like to keep from the fact generaously about the Hide victory, which was possible the best and who was 4 - 1 favourite (in opposite to Byrd, who was huge underdog and barely top 10 when).

    Johnson was very determined and aggressive in this fight. He showed a very big heart and this was perhasp the best performance of Vitaly Klitschko, tactical, defensive and offensive. But his brother would have been possible stopped in that night against the same opponent. Johnson was very raging attacking and this fight convincend Lewis to rather go into retirement than facing this monster again. As Klitschko improved here a lot to his Lewis fight, particular in the defence.

    Many people though Peter had since his first defeat against the little brother improved and was acknowledged as second best world champion of that time by most boxing fans. They didn't gave "Dr. Ironfist" much of a chance after 3 years and 10 months lay-off. But he totally outclassed him and made hi to resign after 8 rounds, while his brother took 22 rounds against worse versions. This is one of the most amazing comebacks in the history of not only boxing, but sports.

    Arreola was undefeated two in 29 professional fights, with 27 knockouts.

    For the record I had some fights on video cassettes too, like Hill vs. Michalczewsky or even Regina Halmich.
     
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  6. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    Perhaps you misread my post. Read it again and you'll see your mistake. Lets see if you can be manly enough to admit being in the wrong?

    Pretty sure Bowe is in the HOF too.

    Viltai was a hall of famer for what he done during his own era and he deserved to get in , but in an era of multiple titles , multiple different champs and with 4 inductees every year , anybody can , and probably will enter into the HOF. Whose entering this year? Does anybody care that much anymore?

    Winky Wright was a first ballot alongside Vitali. He went 1-3-1 in the last 6 years of his career.

    Would you say Winky is an ATG? Does he have a chance to beat Golovkin just because he's a first ballot hall of famer?

    How many Vitali wins feature on a top 20 win list since 1991? Can you answer that query?
     
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  7. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    Did i say "ever"?
     
  8. George Crowcroft

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    No. But you said to date.
     
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    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    Maybe you don't understand the difference.
     
  10. George Crowcroft

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    To date means everything so far. Ever also means everything, and since we can't see the future that also means everything so far.

    Maybe you should be more specific.
     
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  11. THE BLADE 2

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    Based on his resume, I agree that Vitali is not an ATG heavyweight, certainly not Top 10. Head to head he seems to be overrated by this board although I agree that there clearly were mitigating factor to his losses. But being competitive with a past prime and out of shape Lewis is not that great an of achievemnt when we are talking ATG status. Remember has been knocked out when being unprepared.

    Vitali's resume is light years away from that of Holyfield.With an unimpressive resume and two losses which exposed Vitali's lack of heart and flaws in defense, it is hard to suggest that he would be able to beat prime Holy.
     
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  12. dinovelvet

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    Since you are not going to admit you were wrong , ill assume you misquoted me on purpose. Now the forum can see what you're about , but my guess is they already know. Look in your Tyson cherry picking thread for proof.
     
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    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    When @Mendoza is stuck in a corner , he'll misquote you and put you down for comments you never made. Thats the type of "man" he is.
     
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  14. Mendoza

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    Oh sure Vital's lacked heart. He fought on just fine with a bad cut vs. Lewis and later on won a fight with a dislocated should. He decided to stop vs Byrd because ehe feed permeant injury. And get real Blade, I can name many guys in the hall of fame who quit far lesser or no injuries.

    Exactly which fight did he lack defense? He was never behind on any of the scorecards.

    Was Lewis that past his prime? A year ago was one of his best performance vs Rhaman II. Vitali made Lewis look the way he was, and even said he was hard to time and hit.

    Holy fans can hang their hat on the Tyson win, who we all know was better a decade ago, but with the PED's, losses, sometimes dirty fighting, and many struggles vs. larger skilled men he's not likely winning here.

    1-1-1 vs Ruiz
    1-1 vs Morrer
    In trouble and got help with the ref vs Cooper.
    Should be 0-2 vs Lewis.
    1-2 Bowe.

    See my point, take out the Tyson win and there some major holes in for Holyfield. I will say he was game and willing to fight anyone.
     
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  15. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    Other posters in this thread are on your case. They see it. You can't tell the difference between acting like yourself and quoting. I was showing you the former.

    Moving the goalposts back again, I see? You can mix and match words that don't fit all day long. Pretty much finished replying to you in this thread. We get it; you hate Klitschko.

    To part, I'll leave you with your own words. " Bowe beating Holyfield is the best win at HW to date. "

    ^^^ I did not mis-quote you there :)

     
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