Vitali Klitschko vs. Frank Bruno

against mcCall i think was his best win maybe not masterpiece but he definatly did everything he had and made a win...he outjabbed early when mcCall came back to finish. he had turned defencive and used his reach to keep oliver outside he turned southpaw to mix it up and banged a big shot and clinched.

he used exactly what he had to do win. when he was a bomber with little stamina against a guy who could bang had an iron chin and better stamina we knew it was giong to be bruno winning the first rounds then boom a shot by oliver stops him dead.

against lewis he used great technique for a big overmusculer guy. and out boxed the boxer by being aggresive but damaging.

 

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If Bruno finds the straight rand hand he could actually KO Klitchko early. Bruno was a harder puncher than Tyson and Foreman if he actually landed. I don't know if Vitalis leaning back defense would work against a tall straight fast 1-2 too well.

 

Bruno, a harder puncher than Tyson and Foreman?

 

Bruno's right hand could trouble even the best of chins. Oliver McCall went into his shell after tasting it and only got confident as Bruno tired.
I believe Vitaly would react badly to Bruno's power, and he would get "injured" before Frank ran out of gas.

 

Bruno will stand his ground, jab like its going out of fashion, land a big punch or two, even take some rounds but after about 5 rounds stick a fork in him because he's done.

 

I tend to agree with both points. A similar performance would take him a few more rounds with Vitali, however a similar ending is almost inevitable (ie: Bruno gasses out, gets caught by a massive shot, freezes and is on the receiving end of an unanswered barrage: before the ref steps in).



Ps: I don't think that Lewis was hugely impressive in the fight against Bruno, however part of this was because Frank boxed very well behind the jab not really allowing Lennox to get any significant rhythm going.

 

Foreman hit harder than Bruno (by far).

Vitali has never thrown a punch with more than 60 % of his maximum power.

Vitali has never been KO'd.

Bruno has.

IMO, Prime Vitali stops Bruno in5 or 6.

 

A punch meter test was carried out on Bruno, Tyson and Foreman and Bruno came out on top

 

Well, one could argue that his inability to sustain an attack after the 4rth round against Lewis led to his demise. Anyway, the point is that pretty much any world class boxer can average 60 + punches against a stationary punching-bag (Sanders); it's a whole different matter when up against world championship level boxers.

The difference is, Bruno fought wars and won, something Vitali can't claim to have done.

He missed punches, but when Sanders threw sustained attacks (particularly in the 1rst round) he always was able to connect in the end. Bruno's attacks would be more scientific, more sound and harder than Sanders'.

Faster, yes, but not that much faster. Vitali looked fast primarily because he only fought a handful of fleet-footed boxers (I can't think of anyone aside from Hide and Donald).

True, but Bruno was never outboxed at a much, MUCH higher level of opposition. It's like comparing Ali and Hide in this respect.

For Bruno against Vitali, his right hand would be more a device to keep Vitali tentative, giving Bruno the space to out-box Vitali with his jab. After the beating Bruno would give Vitali in the first 8 rounds (which would be much more brutal than what Lewis did to him) I don't think Vitali would have enough left to come back, allowing Bruno to cruise to a decision.

At least you agree now that Bruno would dominate the early rounds.

I disagree: Bruno had a better defense than the version of Lewis that Vitali fought, and was leagues ahead of the washed-up never-was that Sanders hauled to the ring against Vitali. Even if Vitali does find a spot, I don't think he has the one-punch power to turn around the fight in the same way that Bonecrusher and Lewis did.

Based on their performance against common opposition: Bruno staggered a prime Tyson with one punch, Lewis failed to do that; Bruno had McCall scared of his power, Lewis failed to do that.

Bruno was more fragile, but I don't think Vitali is going to be shattering him. Bruno was extremely green against both Bonecrusher and Smith; it wasn't until the early 1990s that he really peaked. In the late rounds against Vitali, I think both would be holding on desperately, since as I've already shown Vitali had a trend of tiring early in tough fights.

True, but I think Bruno-500 is going to be the robot who's clockwork dictates the fight. :good

 

That is a possibility. Vitali's heart is somewhat questionable, something that can't be said about Bruno.

 

Actual tests suggest otherwise.

In a head to head test Bruno beat both Foreman and Tyson.

 

I think you're dismissing Vitali's opponents a bit too easy, in general. Like saying earlier that 'they weren't there to win'. They're professional fighters. I'd say they were dominated.

Which wars did Bruno win? Vitali fought only one war which was against a formidable opponent and while he lost, he gave a good account of himself.

Then again, Sanders has much quicker hands than Bruno. And i stand by my point that nearly all of Sanders' damaging punches that landed were fast counters.

Byrd was probably fast as anyone Bruno faced with the exception of Tyson, but he didn't really outspeed Klitschko.

You have a good point here. All i can say is that Byrd was only outboxed by his brother outside of him (the Ibeabuchi fightwas pretty much even). And Lewis, despite being old was still formidable. Lewis had not quite hit his stride yet against Bruno (Stewardless) and seemed to be bothered by the cold in Cardiff park.

Well i don't agree that Bruno would dominate the first 8 rounds. I think Vitali would hold his own, maybe be behind on the cards, but have enough left to stop him late if not before the 6th.

Well we'll just have to agree to disagree; i think Vitali will get his fair share of punches in. I just don't trust Bruno against someone who won 32 of 33 fights by knockout.

Lewis made McCall cry and stop fighting, i would say that is a class above making McCall go into a shell. Lewis made Tyson quit mentally with hard punches, Bruno couldn't keep him off him. I will admit that Tyson was ****ed up mentally in 2002 even worse than in 1989, but still.

Where have you shown the trend that Vitali tired in tuogh fights? The only example that i recall is the Lewis fight. And i wouldn't call Bruno extremely green; he had roughly 21 (compared to Smith's 14 fights) and 28 fights when he fought them. He had enough experience to thoroughly outbox them, he just didn't have the durability, and i'm not convinced he ever would.

 

Really? I find that a tad hard to believe. He's a hard hitter but to put him up with Liston, Foreman, Lewis and Tyson is a tad far, I think.

In terms of all round punching attributes (ie: handspeed, excecution, technique and variety) Tyson woulds surely top these three. No probs.