Vitali Klitschko vs George Foreman FULL FIGHT WRITE UP

The dream is to have the best of Foreman 1 and Foreman 2 , the youth and strength with the mental discipline and with it the stamina ... that George never existed so not sure which Foreman you are matching ... I think your weights are off because Foreman (1) was growing into a very very strong and solid 228-230 by the time he retired the first time so its more like 15 - 18 pound difference there .. I don't know ... it may be like the Lewis fight ... Young George really didn't have a long drawn out fight against a competitive guy going long distance other than Peralta who is not in Vitali's class ... Vitali had a terrific chin and I doubt he gets stopped early but we did see he could be cut badly and any version of Foreman had a monster jab ... in this one I actually think the Foreman 2 version has the better shot over a 12 Rond fight as I believe he was stronger than Vitali and that jab would do damage ... I clearly think Foreman was the stronger puncher as well ... I don't think Vitali has the power to take him out and it would be a decision bout .. what way I don't know

 

Vitali was no fun to fight. I don't care who you are, or how great you are, you're not coming out unscathed.

 

We will have to agree to disagree. Vehemently. LOL.

 

Ugly, nasty, bloody contest.

 

Where does this sort of poster even come from? Either a troll or a clown. This forum is really on a downward trajectory.

 

Ike's best wins are better than Vitali's and he beat a guy who actually beat Vitali. Byrd and Tua are not exactly legends but I would still put them ahead of anyone Vitali beat. Yet your trying to dismiss him here. If Ike's not a fully fledged contender what does that make Vitali? a journeyman?

 

Let me get this straight: You think Ike's best wins (Tua and Byrd) are better than Vitali's and that he was a fully fledged contender who deserved a title shot?

Vitali's resume:

-Beat WBC champion Samuel Peter.
-Beat WBO champion Corrie Sanders
-Beat WBO champion Herbie Hide
-Beat #1 contender undefeated Chris Arreola
-Beat #6 contender undefeated Kevin Johnson
-Beat #7 contender undefeated Charr
-Beat #9 contender Gomez
-Beat #10 contender undefeated Solis

Now don't get me wrong, Vitali's wins aren't the most glamorous or noteworthy names, and I've criticized Vitali plenty of times, but I think Vitali beating 3 champions and 5 contenders ranked in the top 10 (4 of whom were undefeated) is certainly a better resume than Ike only beating 2 contenders.

I don't even know if I'd agree that Tua and Byrd were better than anyone Vitali beat. That's a pretty strong statement that is hard to back up. Sanders, Hide, and Peter can measure up to Tua and Byrd in terms of both boxing ability and and credentials.


Ike's title shot:

After beating Byrd, sure you could argue Ike deserved a shot. The issue was that Holyfield and Lewis had fought to a draw and needed to rematch to see who was the real champ. By the time they rematched, Ike was in prison. That wasn't Lewis' fault. Prior to Ike beating Byrd, the only good name on his record was Tua and he wasn't the #1 contender, so he was in no position to demand a title shot. The timing just wasn't there.

And yes I maintain that Ike wasn't a full fledged fighter even after beating Byrd. He was still very inexperienced with only 2 good names and wasn't the finished product yet.

Now let's look at this quote of yours here:

You are asking why Foreman "couldn't beat little Jimmy Young" when Vitali couldn't beat little Chris Byrd to a pulp.

Explain why you are criticizing Foreman for failing to beat Young, but you aren't criticizing Vitali for failing to beat Byrd.

 

Well, good Sir, you sure know it all. Let's take a closer look. 'Chin is even'. Hm! Foreman was ko'ed by Ali, decked by 205 pound Young and decked by 220 pound 34 year old Lyle, all while Foreman was in his prime. Vitaly was never decked in his whole career... 'heart is on Foreman's side' What?? Foreman was out psyched by Ali and fought foolishly in the Ali fight. Let's just say that neither of them lacked heart. 'Vitali performs poorly in fights (combats) against ATG opponents'. Well, Sir, you must possess magic abilities if you can predict how Vitaly would perform vs former all time greats. You don't know it, and I don't know it, BUT, we can use our common sense. Personally I think Vitaly would beat all those smallish 1970 'golden era' fighters, and that includes Ali. That said I often wonder, why many fans consider you a lunetic, if you suggest that today's big men would beat the golden era big boys...

 

It appears that many fans live in a sort of fantasy world in terms of the golden era. Vitaly couldn't control distance?? Gimme a break! No one controlled distance better than Vitaly, he was never behind on points in almost all of his fights.

 

Let's take that closer look and add context.

Foreman was exhausted against Ali and while technically it's down as a KO it's certainly not a textbook KO. He was so close to beating the count some still make chatter about it to this day.

The KD against Young was Foreman tripping over his own feet after Young caught him with a cuffing blow that wouldn't have busted a grape and dragged him off balance. He flew back up instantly and tried to fight on. Truth be told the left hand prior was an illegal blow where Young jammed the laces into Foremans eye area. It was a dirty fight tho so no harm no "foul".

He was dropped hard by Lyle. Chin being even is hardly outrageous. Vitali never fought any top shelf opponents and when he did his face was ripped to threads which counts exactly the same as a common stoppage.

As far as heart Vitali quit in a fight with injuries others have fought on with. He put on a huge turn when they stopped the Lewis fight but by the same token he 100% knew he was safe as they were NEVER going to change their mind and let it recommence. He also didn't have many tough fights at all so i can't blame people for laying some scrutiny down. We often hear how he was barely losing a round in many fights. Hardly the best barometer.

 

Ike beat prime undefeated Chris Byrd. Ran through him , wasn't even competitive. Soon after Byrd beat Vitali with only a weeks notice.

Ike beat prime undefeated David Tua who was coming off a stoppage win over prime Oleg Maskaev. Shot to bits Oleg is Sam Peters best win.
Sam Peter is Vitalis first or second best win. The same Sam Peter Vitali fought was beaten by an out of shape Eddie Chambers.

Vitali two best wins-
Sam Peter on the slide and not prime anymore.
Corrie Sanders totally shot , out of shape , inactive and fighting only for retirement checks.

Prime undefeated Tua > Sam Peter
Better win. Tua also higher P4P and H2H

Prime undefeated Byrd > 10 years past prime Corrie Sanders . Ergo, Ike's top two wins far succeed Vitalis top 2 wins.

#DebateChallenge

 

"On the slide" Samuel Peter was 28 years old and the WBC champ with only 1 loss.

"Totally shot" Corrie Sanders had literally just won the biggest fight of his career against Wladmir and became WBO champ right before he fought Vitali.

Both of these claims are incredibly inaccurate and false, and they destroy the rest of your argument.

 

wgaf what he was. You just destroyed your ownself .. If prime is just a number then what was 38 year old Oleg at the end of his career ? Who was stopped inside a round just a year later by Naggy Aguilera.

That is who made Sam Peter a champ.. Not a belt.. 38 year old shot to bits , no chin having, Oleg Maskev. Do you think highly of Charles Martin because he won a belt? Anybody can win a belt these days.

Its who you win it from that matters. Anybody could have beaten that version of Oleg. Even Naggy Aguilera.

So the fact remains than Tua is a better win than Sam Peter. You are simply too misinformed to argue otherwise.

And? Was Povetkin prime when he one shotted Dillian Whtye? no.

Sanders didn't beat Wlad because he was prime. He just clipped him and it was over. 3 or 4 rounds later Sanders would have been totally gassed out like he was against Vitali.

Vitali fought the Buster Douglas who lost to Holyfield , only Sanders wa TEN years older.

Was Douglas at his best against Holyfield just because he beat Tyson a year earlier? Ydksab.

Fact remains
Tua> Peter
Byrd > Sanders

 

You were wrong.

This discussion is over.