Vitali Klitschko vs Jack Johnson

Sorry but if you accept that Burns came in the ring"in fantastic shape against Johnson" that directly contradicts your assertion that he had jaundice whe he entered the ring .
Something that Adam Pollack , Randy Roberts and Geoffrey C Ward never mentioned in their biographies by the way.
Ketchel's weight for the Johnson fight was given as 170lbs,after the fight he himself said he weighed more than that.

Primary source:
" I weighed 178lb s and never felt in better condition in my life" Stanley Ketchel." Jack Johnson The Reign" Adam Pollack page197.

You are a silly chap aren't you?

Here is your statement

"Was Duneknhorst big enough? Jeffries blew him out in a 3 round ex match"
Dated 29th June at 1/37pm
We know its yours because you spelt Dunkhorst wrong!
I 've researched both Tracy Callis's list of Jeffries exhibitions and also Adam Pollack's, neither list Jeffries stopping Dunkhorst in 3rds .

So where did you obtain this information from?:huh

A simple question that invites a simple answer from a simple poster.

You don't have time?
You don't have time to produce a single primary source to back up any of your countless deliberate lies.But you have time to make new posts, all the while avoiding requests for proof of your bull sh*t .
You are a compulsive liar.

 

Smith had beaten no one of note when he sparred with Johnson he was not even a professional boxer he was a serving sailor, and Adam casts considerable doubt on the authenticity of the knockdown.
Flynn did not win a round against Johnson.
Ross landed just one punch of any consequence on Johnson and was floored in the first round.
Johnson had a broken arm vBattling Jim and if Battling Jim was a journeyman ,what does that make Jeannette whom he beat and drew with and McVey and Langford whom he also drew with? You keep saying Johnson was afraid to fight them, if they could only draw with a man whom he drew with while carrying a broken arm for 7rounds, being out of condition,having not fought for a year and a half, and being 35 years old, why would he need to be afraid of them?
It makes no logical sense. Just like yourself really.:good

You carry on making yourself ridiculous, it's what you're good at Rainman.:good

 

That's b/c he was and actually fought below that as well,which was already showed to you that he was a 160/170 pound fighter,you were to dumb to throw up the white flag when you were wrong at the end of the day you are arguing that a JJ who was floored by a guy less than even 180 would defeat a talented 6'7 250 pounder...change your name to 'McDolt'.....:tomb

 

You said Johnson won the title from 160lbs Ketchel.Ketchel was not 160lbs and Johnson was the defending champion having won the title in 1908 from Burns.
Eight days before the Johnson fight Ketchel stepped on the scales in front of reporters he weighed 174lbs
which is the weight given for him when he was introduced in the ring.

FYI. At the age of 37 Johnson was in front after 20 rds against'6.6.25" 238.5lbs Willard.The average weight of Johnson's challengers was 206.5lbs The heaviest average ofa champion up into the late1960's.
I repeat ,you don't know what the f*ck you're talking about.
You don't even know who was champion and when.

What is the point of talking to you? All I can learn is that you are a fool and that is already glaringly apparent.

 

Johnson is way too skilled, but ti would be a tough tough one.

 

True I got tommy burns mixed up with ketchel being burns is also 5'6/5'7 and a bit heavier at buck 170.


If anyone really wants to see how good JJ was to modern fighters just look at all the guys under 5'10 he fought,like Peter Jackson who rarely won any fights at 5'6 150 that took JJ the full 12 rounds.Willard is smaller and far and I mean far less talented than even a 45 year old Vitali would be if he was that age,at the end of the day JJ got ktfo by Willard who was actually a real HW.He only fought one black guy through his reighn as HW champion and that was 5'11 220 jim Johnson who he FAILED to defeat,probably because it was another fighter bigger than him.You don't know Shyte about boxing to assume 6'7 250 pound Vitali loses to JJ....

 

Ketchel was 5'9" Young Peter Jackson was an excellent ,clever fighter , her beat Joe Butler in5rds,Joe Walcott in4 rds, hadbeaten Mike Donovan twice ,stopped Dan Creedon and Jack Bonne,r stopped Mysterious Billy Smith , and in his very next fight after Johnson, he ko'd Sam Langford in5 rounds.

Johnson had undertaken to stop Jackson inside twelve rounds and floored him twice while Jackson did no fighting at all, he just ran around the ring avoiding all exchanges.Johnson stopped fiting for a moment and spoke to the audience, saying I would like to have shown you a fight tonight but my opponent will not fight.
At that time Jackson's record was 67-16-21
.At its conclusion no decision was given. Johnson had undertaken to knock Jackson out within twelve rounds or take the smaller end of the receipts. He failed to do so." (Durango Democrat) The New York Evening World reported that Johnson twice knocked down Jackson and had administered lots of punishment; Jackson on his part had done little fighting.

Johnson later employed the clever Jackson
as a sparring partner for his match against Ketchel.

I haven't even made a pick in this match.
You seem to be out of your depth here, perhaps the General Lounge would be more suited to you?:think

 

You are just a flip flopping fool who thought a JJ would defeat a klitchko and bragged how much more skillful he was throughout the post and were hit with MANY referances why its a mismatch by others other than myself.You even said Vitali is not a big puncher yet JJ couldn't k.o some guys around 160 pounds.Maybe you should rethink what foum would be best for you,perhaps a comedy one they can make here for you?:thumbsup

 

1.Show me a post on this thread where I picked Johnson to beat Vitali
2.Show me a post where I picked either man.
3.Show me post where I said Vitali is not a big puncher, I said his best ko is over Herbie Hide.
4.Show me a post where I brag about Johnson's skills.
We've now established you have learning dfficulties .
Because you can't read ,you can't spell ,and you can't frame an intelligible argument.

You've already proved you are as ignorant as pig sh*t about boxing.:good

 

Adam casts doubt? It’s accepted. Klompton already pointed out uneven reporting on the riots. If Adam wants to show me concrete proof that it did not happen, he can.

Gunboat Smith was a novice when it happened. We can agree there which casts even more doubt on Johnson.

Gunboat Smith defeated Sam Langford, Jess Willard, Frank Moran, Tony Ross, and Fireman Flynn from 1912-1913. Four of these names received title shots from Johnson. Smith would have been an excellent choice for a title defense....but he received no real offers.

I think Smith would have been Johnson's best title opponent from 1913-1914.

" And he never forgot it " Said Smith in the book In this corner referring to the punch that knocked Johnson silly.

 

You are lying again and full of it. You have questioned Vitali's power before. You think Marciano lacked one punch power, and question Jeffries power. Hmmmm....a common trend.

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Says the guy who makes plenty of errors and once asked for being excused for making them due to an eye issue. Oh you have praised Johnson plenty here.

 

No it isn't accepted ,several reporters thought it was a publicity
stunt to make it look like Ketchel had a real chance against Johnson.Smith said the knockdown of Johnson by Ketchel was faked by Johnson do you believe that too? Or only what is convenient for you?

In 1912 Moran when he fought Smith was a novice who had won just 5 of his last 11 fights,he had beaten nobody of any note. In1912 Smith lost to Jack Geyer14-4-1,JimStewart17-4-1and Porky Flynn 25-6-5 he would not have been either an acceptable opponent for Johnson or a credible one. Smith had ONE GOOD YEAR 1913 beating novice Willard and gaining a questionable decision over Langford , then in1914 he was floored and lost a dsq verdict to 170lbs Carpentier Lost a dec to 172 lbs Levinsky and was kod in3 by Langford . His bubble well and truly burst.

 

So you are picking the guy you said basically will quit and doesn't hit hard over the guy you praised in JJ? McLIAR is mopre like it! I would continue thrashing you but Mendoza beat me to it!

 

I'm not making a pick and Mendoza has never beaten me in a debate or produced a shred of primary evidence to back up his claims. Now how many weeks before the new term starts, and you go back to school?

 

Time for a Marciano vs Jack Johnson thread methinks :hey I bet we could get that one to rattle on for a few years