Vitali Klitschko vs Jess Willard 15 rounds

The British Army today has 80 000 men in it.

In 1945 it had three million.

That is going to be a lot to overcome, even with better weaponry!

 

"The truth will be a bitter medicine to swallow"

Not for me. I agree there is a stylistic and physical resemblance. In my analogy, I pointed out that a bear and a jaguar are more like each other than a lot of other creatures. It is just a matter of what you concentrate on, the similarities or the differences.

"call Willard a poor man's Vitaly" "Vitaly is clearly more like Willard than he is like Wlad or Lewis or Bowe."

In a certain stylistic sense, but he is much more like these other men in quality.

"they both control range against smaller opponents in very much the same way"

Except in the case of these two fights, Vitali is very successful while Moran traps Willard on the ropes and flings overhand rights at him. A positive reason is that Vitali is clearly far more mobile than Willard. A negative reason is that Peter is far less mobile than Moran.

"The real winner out of your analysis seems to be Moran."

Well, I pointed that his record is not that sterling by any means, but fighting at a natural weight, he was able to move fast enough to give Willard a fight. He was helped by Willard being rather stiff. How would this work against Vitali. Obviously not as well, as Vitali is much more mobile than Willard.

"We are probably broadly in agreement here."

To a significant extent. I think we disagree some on how good Willard looks.

 

Wot! That small?

Get your pyjamas on modern military, Grandpa's coming to give you a noogie and put you to sleep!

 

The British Army of 1945 was armed with bolt action five shot magazine 303 Lee Enfields.

 

Once weaponry reached that point, only modest improvements were possible.

 

Why are people talking about armies?

It's a terrible analogy anyway, there have been massive technological innovations, we haven't become a race of superhumans in that time. A modern tank has massive differences from a WWII tank, a person from the 20's is basically the same as now, and the average person is far softer and less fit and athletic.

 

Though what could single handedly win WWII is a trident nuclear submarine, which have something like 100x the explosive power of the himoshima bomb.

 

OK, you have got me there.

 

And a fine rifle it was, too. Hit it with the .303 and it stays hit. They still use it today

https://www.gunworld.com/guns/british-lee-enfield-303-rifle-the-legendary-smelly/

 

Actually, I think heavyweight boxing has some parallels to warfare in the way it has evolved.

Maybe the older generations were tougher and better soldiers in some cases, but these days it's all about the ability to deliver with accuracy at long range. Speed helps. Accuracy and speed were not Willard's thing.

 

What makes you think it's easy???

 

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   an indiscriminate and brutal slaughter of people.
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   deliberately and violently kill (a large number of people).
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They should add Vitali vs Willard to the dictionary reference for "massacre".

 

Moran was actually the same size as Holyfield in Bowe 1. He was 6'1 205 Holyfield was 6'2 205

 

To be fair, this is the same forum that argued for 70+ pages that Carnera was better than a prime Bowe. At this point, a "Why Galento pulverizes to a prime Mike Tyson circa 1988" thread wouldn't surprise me in the least