Vitali Klitschko vs Joe Louis

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  1. Woddy

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    I take Vitali.
     
  2. PowerPuncher

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    Hands down, and relatively slow hands against Louis = KO4-6 for Joe. Would look like the Max Baer fight. Louis would get Vitali where he wanted him, and throw those brutally fast combinations to tee off on that chin that Vitali carry's too high
     
  3. Joe E

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    The Klit may have a chance if he tags Louis enough with the right.I expect Louis would get knocked down with it. However the Klit is to slow{maybe slower then Carnera} to get out of Joes way. Although he does take a better punch then Primo., I think Louis KOs him by the 10th.
     
  4. Ramon Rojo

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    Vitali would win easily
     
  5. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    Could go either way, being fair to both.

    Think about the ungodly beatings from Baer's took from Louis, and how Vitali fights taller and uses his reach and height advantges more then either. You'd imagine he could take similar amounts of punishment at the least and land some of his own considerable firepower in return.

    Louis can break that chin, though.
     
  6. Holmes' Jab

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    Louis stops him mid-late rounds.
     
  7. Loewe

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    Vitali´s biigest assets in this fight would be his size, reach, chin, power and awkwardness. How would Joe Louis deal with it?
    - size and reach: Louis fought two similar sized capable fighters in PRimo Carnera and Buddy Baer and beat them both.
    - chin: we all know what damage Joe´s combination´s could do, he could hurt Vitali.
    - power: Louis could be hurt and knocked down but it was very hard to stop. Only Max Schmeling was able to do so and he needed dozens of his right hands to do so - remember Gunboat Smith said Schmeling had the shortest, hardest right hand he ever saw and he saw them all from Jeffries to Liston. I doubt Vitali would be able to copy this achievement.
    - awkwardness: Joe Louis beat a great fighter with a similar low guard style in Jack Sharkey.

    So, Joe could handle every single asset Vitali could bring to the table. Could Vitali do the same? Vitali never fought a combination puncher like Louis, he never fought a fighter who was as precise, as powerful or as fast as him. I doubt he could do anything against that.

    My take: Louis TKO7-9 Vitali

    The staredown would be great :twisted:
     
  8. Mendoza

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    Without making a pick that will hurt feelings, Joe Louis had style match up with good boxers types. Watch the films or read the news papers, because its true.

    Louis was not a dynamic close the gap type of fighter like Frazier or Tyson was. He was a methodical shuffle in behind the jab fighter who once he got into a comfortable range unleashed a fury. Sure stiffs who could not jab, did not think much and got caught on the ropes ( Something that Vitlai is clearly not ) were axed by Louis.

    Vitlai would own Louis from the outside, has better foot speed, and better reach. And he hits a lot harder and takes a much better punch than the boxers ( Farr, Godoy, Pastor, Walcott, Conn ) who gave Louis a lot of trouble and likely beat him twice as a group on fair score cards.
     
  9. Loewe

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    Vitali isn´t anywhere as good as the mentioned names in terms of ability or footwork. And he has not faster foot than Louis. Carnera had a faster jab than Vitali and Louis was able to get into range, he would do the same with the slow jab of Vitali.
     
  10. Mendoza

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    Baloney. When you're 6'8", don't expect the guy too look like a light weight. However, Vitlai covers a lot of ground in a hurry. Other fighters can't seem to close the gap with him, or get past his jab.

    Vitali excels at keeping his best range.

    Vitlai also has a good defense built upon fighting tall, top punch anticipation, leaning sideways, backwards, or taking a quick step back. He probably spends the least amount of time on the ropes as any heavyweight champion I've ever seen.

    When the other guy misses or doesn't have the angle, Vitlai counters.

    Even Showtimes annoucers gave mention of Vitlai's movement and use of angles at age 37.

    Carnera was old as dirt when Louis beat him, was not known for taking a good punch. The example is poor. Vitlai is a good boxer puncher type. Use the matches that Louis fought vs boxers here which I mentioned above for a fair guess, not examples where Louis cleaned up on older fighters or guys who were stiff and lacked skills.
     
  11. Holmes' Jab

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    As did Walcott at that age moreso, he was definitely a better fighter than Vitali too. Conn, Farr and Godoy sure aren't worlds away from Vitali either ability-wise.
     
  12. Holmes' Jab

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    An out of shape, past his best Lennox stopped Vilati: why can't a peak Louis who'll be much busier and is a better combination puncher (for my money the best in the divisions history).
     
  13. Mendoza

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    Walcott at his best had pound for pound skills, but he was not a better heavyweight / more formidable heavyweight. Wlacott was chinny, and unlike Vitlai did not always fight smart. Yet he took Louis to town in both fights, and had the second fight in the bag until he got cute, and caught. PArt of this was styles, which is what I am talking about.

    If Conn could stagger Louis, and Farr could do the same...Farr pretty much going toe to toe, Vitlai could do more since he is much bigger, hits much harder, and has much greater range.
     
  14. Loewe

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    :-( you are so biased it´s not funny anymore.

    I used Carnera as an example of how Louis would go by a jab of a man similar in size to Vitali. And Carnera had a faster and imo better jab than Vitali, Louis avoided it quite well. Therefore I don´t see Louis having problems avoiding Vitali´s too. Slow fighters with poor boxing ability like Sanders, Williams or Peter may have trouble getting by Vitali´s jab but not a Joe Louis. :bart
    Vitali has good footwork but he is not fast on his feets. Yeah, he throws punches from many angles but most of those punchers are arm-punches without much power - even his jab is sometimes.
    Joe Louis has proven himself to get to anybody to unleash his combinations, yeah boxers with fast feets fighting defensivly trouble him but I canßt see how this description fits for Vitali. In fact Vitali would come forward himself making it even easier for Joe to get in range.

    Can´t see how an unproven fighter like Vitali can be picked about somebody like Joe Louis. Yeah, he would pose some problems but nevertheless he would be beaten.
     
  15. Holmes' Jab

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    If a 38 year old, past peak Lennox could tear Vitali up on the inside, **** knows what a prime 20-odd year old Louis would do. :hey