Vitali Klitschko vs Joe Louis

Carnera was 28

 

Carnera was in his prime when he fought louis. carnera was 22-1 in his last 23 fights going into the louis fight. Carnera was the # 2 rated heavyweight in the world and was 28 years old. He was at the peak of his career.....coming off a victory's over 6'10 240lb ray impelliteiree and 6'9 280lb victorio campolo. right after the louis fight he knocked out top 10 contender 43-3 walter neusal a VERY solid fighter. It was the horrible beating louis gave to carnera that RUINED carnera.


ps leroy Haynes was a very dangerous puncher, and top 10 guy too. haynes was in line for a title shot vs louis.

 

what beating? carnera was ahead on the cards at the time of the stoppage. he outboxed baer all night long.

 

Oh boy, you are one of the most arrogant posters on here. A little bit humbleness would do you good.

So, a fighter who si on a 22-1 winning streak, 28 years old going on to beat a top10 fighters - who at best was ranked number 4 in the world - is shot? Yeah, for sure. :blood

Nope he has not. Vitali is slow, slow, slow. His jab is awkward because it´s a mix of an uppercut, hook and a jab but it´s not fast and it also is often only pawed. Both would be exposed by a fighter like Louis.

Yeah, Sanders is slow. He has fast hands for a man his size but overall he is slow.

Never said he is. You know, I live in Germany, I followed the career of both Klitschko´s since they stepped their feet into a ring over here. I watched every single fight of them. I like them both. They are very good for the sport and the beside DLH the biggest names in boxing nowadays. But you have to be objective.
Vitali has good footwork and fast feet for his size. But it is not as good as Louis and he is slower. Yeah, Vitali is good at using his size but Louis beat man of similar size rather easily. Like I wrote in my first post, his reach and size are two of his assets but Louis is known to overcome such assets.

Yeah, he has to but it is not as hard as you make it seem. Vitali´s jab is slow even compared to Carnera´s not to mention that of a Conn or a Godoy. And Louis had not so many problems going by these jabs. Add that Vitali often paws with it and it´s obvious what happens more often than not. There would still be the right hand, okay, but don´t you think Louis could avoid telegraphed punches like that? I´m sure he can. Not always but most of the time and I can´t see Vitali who never fought a fighter who is even close in ability to Joe Louis surviving this.

Ah, the arrogance again ... I think you need some of this :rasta

No need or just not able to? See, I can be arrogant too :tong

 

Fact:
Carnera won 22 of his last 23.
Carnera won his next fight against a Top10 opponent.

 

I never said Vitali has no chance in there. Read my first post, I wrote that Vitali has a live chance meaning a chance between 20 and 40%.

 

Lowe, you can lead a horse to the water, but you can't make it drink it.

 

Vitali is underrated in a head-to-head sense. I think he'd be a handful for anyone. It's a real shame injuries kept him out of the sport. I think he had the potential to be a great. Shame he wasn't around in the 90s era. I think he'd have lived with the big 4 HWs...

But, Joe Louis? Come on... Louis wins, surely that's obvious?

 

As good as Vitali is, I don't think Vitali would have stood a chance against Joe "Louis, who was one of history's very, very best heavyweights. Just watch Louis's films...the man was absolutely incredible.

For us Klitschko fans it's a great thing that Vitali has established what an excellent fighter he is. But let's not get carried away. He is not in the same league as Louis.

As to how Vitali-Louis would go, I'm sure Vitali would give Joe lots of trouble. This is because of Vitali's cagey use of his height, reach, defensive acumen and power. Probably Vitali would have Louis on the deck once or twice.

But Louis was superior to Vitali in every respect aside from size and durability. Eventually Joe's powerful, laser-beam left jab and devastating rights and left hooks would find their mark. When this happened, Vitali would be on his way to a brutal kayo defeat.

I say Louis struggles in this fight, but wins decisively by stoppage somewhere between the middle to late rounds. Vitali is a brave but bloodied mess when the bout is finished.

 

I can see where you are coming from. Certainly Vitali was better than Max Schmeling, the Baer Brothers, and anyone else Louis fought in his prime. In this fight, there is always the very distant chance that an upset would occur.

Still, I think the great Louis was just too good to lose to Vitali.

 

BIG DEE HERE= Louis by the 6th rd by KO after handing out a beating to the slow Vitali Klitschko. Vitali Klitschko is the second coming of Jess Willard as I have said for years now. If you take out the film of Willard vs Johnson and watch the whole fight or as much as you can see. What you will see is a
direct copy of Willard when looking at Vitali Klitschko and after 45 yrs of watching Willard on film I recognized the style right off the bat as he is a copy of Jess Willard right down to the hands down lean-back style, standing as straight up as possilble to make it hard to get hit in the head without reaching for him and if you do you leave yourself open for a counter right-hand. The style worked well for Willard untill he got old and over-confident
against Jack Dempsey and that was his down fall. Klitschko could have been beaten this last weekend if not for a trainer that should never be allowed to train a fighter again as he knew nothing about how to train a fighter in tactics to win a fight. Peter`s trainer did everything a guy could do to make his fighter lose except hit him in the corner with a baseball bat. ( and I mean hit his own fighter Peter with the ballbat ) He sent him out to get the hell beat out of him standing straight up taking punch after punch instead of training Peter to use his height difference to his advantage by fighting Klitschko out of a crouch making him hard to hit and rushing Klitschko to the inside and forcing him to the ropes where at short range Klitschko can`t use his height and reach to his advantage. Peter would then use the 37 yr old
Klitschko who hadn`t had a fight in almost 4 yrs as a heavy bag tearing his
body down and maybe breaking his short ribs. The whole point is to take his legs from him and make Klitschko fight on the defensive instead of on the offensive. TO MAKE IT SHORT PETER`S TRAINER WAS AN IDIOT AND GOT HIS FIGHTER AND ASS WHIPPING HE DIDN`T NEED TO TAKE. LOUIS ON THE OTHER HAND WOULD BE WAY TO FAST AND GOOD FOR THE SLOW KLITSCHKO. YOU DON`T THINK KLITSCHKO LOOKS SLOW BECAUSE HE`S FIGHTING A FIGHTER THAT IS EVEN SLOWER THAN HE IS (PETER).
IF HE EVER FIGHTS DAVID HAYE YOU SEE REALLY HOW SLOW HE IS.

 

My thoughts exactly. If there's a point Carnera starts to drop off the edge, it's after Louis: slowly, to be sure, but until then there is NO evidence that Carnera was even past his prime.

 

I seriously doubt Vitali hits harder than Joe 'The Brown Bomber' Louis.

Louis has more power, far better hand speed, great offensive skills - superb composite puncher - an under-rated defence and solid chance.

Vitali has the height and reach, and of course a fair bit of power, but with his hands low, his lazy jab isn't going to be enough to keep Louis of him, nor the right hand behind it, and he will get caught time and time again, and finished with a big combination.

 

NO...louis had trouble with good boxer types. louis matched up best against big slowish sluggers.....like vitali klitschko