Vitali Klitschko vs Manuel Charr, Moscow

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  1. Grecorussian

    Grecorussian Active Member Full Member

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    :lol:
     
  2. jisi

    jisi Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yes that is true and this is my opinion too.

    But i never heard Vitali stands for this politic. This is the politic of Janukowitsch. So i do not understand it.

    Maybe german press gives false information on Vitalis politic in the Ukraine.
     
  3. Soloman

    Soloman Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I dont know anything about Ukranian politics but if an American candidate went and fought in Canada before a big election as a sort of message to his homeland as opposed to fighting in the U.S. it would look odd
     
  4. damian38

    damian38 BigDramaShow Full Member

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    still gonna watch it, even if it's a **** mismatch

    imagine 80 K at the Luzniki Stadiums, what an exit that would be
     
  5. jisi

    jisi Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I remember Vitalis first lost for the election of the major of Kiew. Vitali was critized for not speaking Ukrainian. He speaks Russian with his brother and many Ukrainians expecially in Kiew does not like Russian.

    So IMO fighting in Moscow does not help to win the election of the Kiew major. It is just the opposite.
     
  6. Grecorussian

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    What I want to say is that Vitali has created a very anti- russian profile so far in politics. But if you want to become a big politician in Ukraine you can't be that anti-russian. So I think that this fight in Moscow will improve his relationships with Russia .
     
  7. BlackWall

    BlackWall Well-Known Member Full Member

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    You have no idea of Vitalis political ambitions. Russia is Ukrains neighbor, so it must be good relationship between neighbors and this is Vitalis goal. This are brother nations, so what are you talking about "anti Russia"? Are you crazy? STFU if you have no idea about this two nations!

    You talk about human rights, so look here. Putin/Russia is not the one who make war all over the world.

    http://denkbonus.wordpress.com/2011/11/23/bush-und-blair-als-kriegsverbrecher-schuldig-gesprochen/

    http://rt.com/usa/news/congress-obama-drone-killing-822/


    Putin even protecting Timoschenko
    http://de.euronews.com/2011/10/11/putin-timoschenko-hat-doch-gar-nichts-unterschrieben/
     
  8. Grecorussian

    Grecorussian Active Member Full Member

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    Of course some fanatics won't like this. But some others will appreciate it. I think they are more. It will turn out better for his career I think
     
  9. jisi

    jisi Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    That is true. IMO the Ukraine "needs" Russia. A good relationship to other countries is always very good.

    But i have a problem with the human rights in Russia, Russia is not a democratic country, Putin not a democratic person. And Vitali stands for democracy and human rights. So i think it is not a good timing to fight in Moscow, maybe i am wrong. For politics it would be much better fighting in Kiew.
     
  10. BlackWall

    BlackWall Well-Known Member Full Member

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    WTF? You have no idea abut Ukrain! :nut Kiev is pro Russia, because there live the most russians and almost all the residents are russian-speaking.
    Learn some history
    [ame]http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiewer_Rus[/ame]



    The german press about russia is 90% disinformation and hating!
     
  11. BlackWall

    BlackWall Well-Known Member Full Member

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    and what about human rights in western countrys? what about all the wars where millions of people are killed from nato troups? what about the concentration camp in guantanamo nbay, what about death penalty?
    What about Germany, which sells armor for Saudi Arabia or where peaceful demonstrators be beaten to cripple?

    http://www.augsburger-allgemeine.de...e-und-Reizgas-verletzt-worden.-Archivbild.jpg

    http://www.schweizmagazin.ch/news/a...-Gericht-spricht-Bush-und-Blair-schuldig.html
     
  12. Grecorussian

    Grecorussian Active Member Full Member

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    No. You are wrong. Russia is a democratic country . And president Putin was just re-elected with 63% of the vote.
    And of course there is no problem with human rights. Don't believe the propaganda . They talk about Russia while in Latvia and Estonia russians suffer .
    Anyway, it is a boxing forum
     
  13. jisi

    jisi Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yes so we go back to boxing, thank you for the nice conversation :hi:
     
  14. BlackWall

    BlackWall Well-Known Member Full Member

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    btw latvia and estonia

    SS veterans marsh, its happening every year there. but no criticism from the west!
    http://www.tribunemagazine.co.uk/2012/03/fury-follows-ss-veterans-march/
     
  15. BlackWall

    BlackWall Well-Known Member Full Member

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    jisi is an old lady, she is infected by the cold war propoganda, where russians are evil! this is her world view!:lol: