Vitali Klitschko vs. Muhammad Ali

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  1. bigjake

    bigjake Active Member Full Member

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    this would be another bum of the month club fight for ali in 1965 to 1967
     
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  2. Brit Sillynanny

    Brit Sillynanny Cold Hard Truth Full Member

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    Looking at your avatar ... did a sniper shoot that guy laying on the floor? Looks dead ....
     
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  3. JohnThomas1

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    :lol:
     
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  4. Bill Butcher

    Bill Butcher Erik`El Terrible`Morales Full Member

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    Ali would be just too fast, slick & outright good technically for Vitali.

    I dont see him stopping the big guy unless by cuts but I do see Vitali being made to look ridiculously slow & amateurish for most of the bout, especially if we`re talking the Ali from Liston-Folley.

    Ali has the chin to take whatever Vitali does land... which might not be anything of note thru the whole 12 rds IMHO.
     
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  5. johnmaff36

    johnmaff36 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Exactly. Especially the last word. Ali was up as quickly as is physically possible in any knockdown he encountered:good
     
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  6. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    Get a f'n clue. Lots of guys get up only to be knocked down again. Ali was hurt in his corner, and did not know where he was. Watch what happened when Ali finally comes to and smells the salts.

    As I explained the knockdown happened at the very end of the round, Dundee entered the ring to escort Ali to his corner, and Dundee woke Ali up with smelling salts. Also what Dundee says is not on you tube.

    Watch the ESPN doc sometimes. In this case it is you who are going on highlights.
     
    Mendoza, Apr 21, 2010
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  7. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    Oh, Ali wanted to quit vs. Liston. Cut the gloves off he said. Dundee saved him. If Ali had Vitlai's corner, they let him quit. It looks like Dundee really helped Ali in this one as well. And stop lying, Sanders did not score an official knockdown. It was a shove down.
     
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  8. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    "Nearly knoked out" means barely beating the count. That's it. Getting up at nine, getting up at 8 and having a stumble, otherwise everyone who has ever been knocked down was "nearly knocked out".

    Shite.

    Ali knows exactly where he was. Proof? He walks directly to his corner.


    Watch an ESPN documentary instead of the raw footage? Why?

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnEDM4EC5kw[/ame]


    Yeah, i'm afraid this is another one of your lies on "mis-rememberances". He did not "escort Ali to the corner". Ali gets up at the count of 3 or 4 and takes four VERY calm steps to his corner. He does not wobble. He does not fall over. He seems calm and collected. Angelo Dundee gets into the ring behind him and puts an arma round his shoulders as he takes his seat, again, calmly, without difficulty.

    YOU ACTUALLY THINK THIS IS "ESCORTING HIM TO THE CORNER"? YOU ACTUALLY THINK FIGHTERS HAVE BEEN DISQUALIFIED FOR THIS? ARE YOU BLIND OR JUS STUPID?

    Moving FURHTER away from the corner (boy, he must have been RIGHT in that ring), Dundee removes Ali's gumshield.

    He asks Muhammad a question, Muhammad responds, he slaps Muhammad on the thigh. Muhammad momentarily stands up, re-testing his legs, the commentator goes bersker screaming tha Ali "doesn't know where he is" inspite of ALL evidence to the contrary. They sponge him (normal after KD), pour water on him (normal after KD), and then give smelling salts (normal after KD).

    The extra delay is reckoned to be about six seconds.

    Ali looks absolutley fine and stops Cooper.



    If you want to describe a guy getting up after a 3 second knockdown and walking calmly to his corner (When we've seen guys try to fight on, walk to the wrong corner, fall down again in such situations) as "nearly knocked out" that's your outlook. I think it's total shite. If you want to describe Dundee as "coming into the ring and escoring Ali to the corner" i've got to categorise that with the same lala land analysis that had you insisting that Joe Louis "did a backflip out of the ring. only a miracle saved him".

    You are the only poster on this forum that I have to address for making things up which don't happen on film.
     
    McGrain, Apr 21, 2010
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  9. Fighting Weight

    Fighting Weight Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    :rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl Excuse number 324,711 - it was VITLAYS corners fault :patsch

    Also Sanders might not have scored an official knockdown but everyone apart from the referee saw what happened - Sanders landed a big shot, VITLAY went backwards across the ring on rubber legs and hit the deck in the next exchange, it was a legitimate knockdown. In fact under recently discovered criteria, VITLAY was almost knocked out. :nut
     
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  10. johnmaff36

    johnmaff36 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I wish you were my union rep.:yep
     
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  11. Abdullah

    Abdullah Boxing Junkie banned

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    Ali by decision.
     
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  12. Mordechai

    Mordechai Boxing Addict Full Member

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    prime ali never faced a fighter like prime vitali, the same goes for vitali, no way in hell could ali knock vitali out... the only exception is if he is able to give vitali a bad cut. ali will give up about 40 pounds and vitali is 4 inches taller and has a longer reach. he has way more power then ali and is smart, it's allowed to love the past, but you have to think clear for a moment, imo vitali would beat ali by ud.
     
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  13. McGrain

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    :lol:
     
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  14. SuzieQ49

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    :yep
     
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  15. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USxJeHV1pd8&feature=related[/ame]
    Check this out. Vitali is badly hurt, stumbles into the ropes glassey eyed, then goes down. Could be ruled a knockdown.
     
    SuzieQ49, Apr 21, 2010
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