Vitali Klitschko vs. Rocky Marciano.

:yep He would, and then he'd wake up.

 

oh nooooooo my credibility is on the line. **** a fukin brick.

You probably agreed with me on the other thread where I picked wlad over rocky.

Byrd walked down vitali after the 4th. That's how I see it, maybe you see it differently.

Just please go easy on me my credibility can only take so much of a beating :'(

 

Even though I do not believe your interpretation of the Byrd fight (I had Vitali winning fairly emphatically), you are falling into the trap of taking one fighter's worst performances against an idealized performance of another. Rocky never walked down anyone near Vitali's size, strength or abilities at playing the distance game.

 

Humphrey Jackson

 

He's dead so I doubt it.

 

Yeah rocky never met a shw so any pick has to be an idealised one.

I reference the Byrd fight because I can think of no other time he fought against a cruiser sized guy on the inside. I believe it to be a stylistic issue.

Due to Rocky's resume it is tough to argue in his favour I totally agree there. For me it just seems that Vitalis biggest weakness is on the inside and Rockys biggest strength is on the inside.

Make no mistake, I'm totally aware it's a leap of faith and it isn't one I'm confident nor comfortable with. It is however the pick I am making.

 

That applies even more to Wlad, who can take far less punishment than Vitali.
Wlad would of been blown out early in tko6, Vitali is a far more durable boxer and has more tools to compete with.
Size , weight and reach is why you gave Rocky no chance against Wlad,
you have contradicted everything you ever said.

 

no because wlad neutralises any infighting it never is an issue.

Plus jab has a far better jab which is quicker and more powerful than vitalis.

I picked wlad coz of styles. I pick rocky coz of styles.

Try and keep on topic, there's a whole thread devoted to wlad v rocky.

 

You're saying Byrd walked Vitali down because Vitali was backing up and fighting off the back foot at times? Vitali was doing his thing, that's part of his game. He's not a come-forward plodder, and against Byrd you can see that Vitali has impressive quickness and mobility for a big man. Vitali is actually comfortable fighting with his back to the ropes, unlike his brother. Furthermore, Byrd was not being effective with his offense most of the time. So, no, Vitali was not getting walked down.

As for the idea that Vitali would have problems with Marciano inside, Marciano is not getting inside. He would have enough trouble getting past Vitali's front knee and jab. With his short arms, he's not going to be able to do anything before Vitali clocks him upside the head and resets his feet. The comparison of Marciano to Byrd is off base anyway. Marciano is not an elusive southpaw with fast hands. Byrd also has a longer reach than Marciano. In the early rounds, where Byrd was making Vitali miss a lot, Marciano would be getting hit and he's not going to take that beating for more than a few rounds.

 

I'm not ignoring bodyshots, but the way that Wlad clinches makes it extremely hard to get leverage into any kinds of shots, let alone body shots. The way Ali clinched (both arms round the back of the neck) still allowed Frazier some leeway to unload hurtful shots to the body. Wlad, on the other hand, uses his height to drape himself over his opponents or grab them in more of a bear hug, which gives them far less maneuverability.Of course, if you suppose that the ref isn't going to allow Wlad to clinch then it changes things slightly, but I still wouldn't like Marciano's chances.

Vitali tends to clinch more like Ali, a sort of loose behind the head clinch, which would give Marciano a bit of room to work if he found himself in that position. But he's also more damaging up close because of his willingness to throw uppercuts. It's a bit of a two-edged sword for the Rock. He'll have more chances, but he'll also be exposing himself to more punishment.

 

Let's wait until the result of the fight to determine that, yeah?

 

It's rather sad that fans who have supposedly been following the sport for decades can't tell the difference between two, really quite easy to distinguish, boxers simply because they happen to be brothers and hail from a certain region of the world.

 

Is this supposed to be a joke? Humphrey Jackson was just a fat ****, a complete bum. His first fight was against a middleweight. And that middleweight knocked him out in 3.

 

Wlad makes it a rule not to take as much punishment as Vitali in fights because he knows precisely this. Boxing isn't limited to how much punishment you can take in the ring, styles and physical attributes play a part as well. A very tall fighter with fast hands, fast feet, a great jab and excellent command of distance who knows exactly what his strengths and weaknesses are and who's also capable of hitting like a truck is quite a hard man to beat.

But this is a thread about Vitali.

 

Vitali has more tools than Wlad?

What exactly do you see when watching boxing? Or is it just like so like many bees in a swarm?