Pontius....your usually a real knowledgable guy, dont stoop low with that nonsense your writing up top. PS I have a ring magazine article in 2000 where bryd claims "I naturally weigh 195lb when I am not trainng, I have to eat and bulk my way up to 210lb"........ You think Liston naturally weighs 195lb? LOL
Liston did not use steroids. He used burning liquid on his gloves. Four fighters complained of it. Coincidence? Maybe, maybe not.
Athletes in America have had access to steroids of various kinds since the 1960's. I'm not real sure about other countries though. Today, the most popular thing is human growth hormone. Evander Holyfield was reported to be receiving HGH, under the name Evan Holy or something like that.
Vitali Klitschko has only tested positive for non-performance enhancing steroids which were used for healing purposes, and he told the board about them before even testing for them. Weather or not he used roids for performance enhancing is not yet proven. In anycase, he does not look like a freak to me, but rather a large muscle bound guy who comes from a family who has the same resemblance.
INCORRECT, Vitali tested positive for Steroids, he claimed they were for medical purposes but this is unsubstanciated Vitali gained around 50lbs of muscle in around 8 years
Mr. Magoo....Being a College Athlete myself in the sport of Wrestling and also Boxing At Petronelli's gym in Brockton, MMA trained in Ludlow Mass for "Team Link" Im just curious from reading your posts have you ever played high level sports in your life? ever play 1-1 sports?
Sonny took some drugs, we dont know which ones but mabey they were the same ones that Pinklon Thomas took. Its a funny thought but if steriods were around in the 50's who would be a candidate? Huricane Carter? Sonny Liston? Could you imagine Marciano on steriods or Louis...watch out..
I wrestled throughout highschool, and wrestled division three in college. I have also been a certified personal trainer who worked in a health club for several years. In addition, I have studied various disciplines of martial arts. Where are you taking this in terms of Vitali's career, and how he'd do against Liston, or the whole steroid issue?
Thats awesome man, what college? did you guys ever wrestle Springfrield College?? what weight class. - I wasnt trying to discredit you, it just seemed like from the way you were speaking you had alot of knowledge or perhaps experience with steroid use from athletes Man speaking from one college wrestler to another.......if you were up 12-2 in a finals match(basically no way you could lose) going into the 3rd period and you suffered a injury that you knew in wrestling you could just stall and survive........wouldnt you suck it up and try to go for the title or would you quit well ahead and injury default out and lose your championship like vitali did?
I wrestled in the 150 Lb weight class, 12-14 years ago, for Elmhurst college in Chicago. We were a small private catholic school, and mainly competed with other division three schools. Nothing special really, and I was an average wrestler by my own standards. Never really had one on one experience with roid users, or at least not knowingly. I worked at a health club in deerfield Illinois from 1999-2005. I had the opportunity to meat and know by name many of the Chicago Bears and a few of the Bulls. They were naturally big men, and many of them used our therapy department to rehab injuries. Some of them may have been using substances but it was difficlult to tell. I have seen many young athletes gain a lot of muscle mass in a very short period of time though. [/QUOTE] I would certainly like to think that I could, but the reality is, I failed when faced with a similar situation. A wrestler managed to get me into a hold which resulted in my rotator cuff getting torn, and I was in so much pain that I got pinned and counted out. It was later determined that I had a bad injury and I sat out the rest of my senior year. A rotator cuff is not a minor injury. It is very deabilitating. Vitali Klitschko was in the 9th round of a championship fight with at least 3 rounds to go, and I'm still not sure when exactly the injury occurred. It could have been 3 rounds earlier for all I know, though I'm sure there is probably literature on it somewhere.