Vitali Klitschko vs. Tyson Fury

While it's true that Vitali mainly just leaned back as his primary head/upperbody movement, you clearly don't understand how he did it. he doesn't just lean back. He did what fighters like RJJ and Mayweather do, they put their weight on the front foot lean forward, guard down to draw a lead, then lean back to slip the shot, moving their weight from the front foot in the centre so they are perfectly balanced to counter, Vitali did the same it was one of his primary methods of countering.

Wlad never did this, he didn't have the reflexes, or upper body movement to get away with it. It's not something Fury had to ever deal with against Wlad. With Wlad he could easily control range with the jab, Vitali would use Fury's jab against Fury, lean forward to invite the lead jab then counter when he slips back. Once again Fury never had to deal with that against Wlad.

Lewis over came this by stepping in behind the jab, something Fury didn't do against Wlad, one he didn't need 2 and secondly he wanted to keep out of range of Wlad's power. If he does what Lewis did to Vitali and steps in behind the jab, he is then in range to be countered, which once again isn't what he did to Wlad. Just because what worked against Wlad doesn't mean it would work against Vitali, they are both very different fighters, despite being both tall and brothers.

You say Fury only threw 30 punches a round down to Wlad clinching and that it would be different with Vitali. I agree it would be different, what worked against Wlad wouldn't work against Vitali because of his work rate, which is the point I'm trying to make.

Fury out boxing Wlad doesn't prove he can do the same to Vitali, they are different fighters and Fury using the same approach against Vitali sees him out worked and out pointed. The more active Fury you imagine isn't going to out spoil a spoiler like with Wlad, he'll be drawn into a more aggressive fight as his tactics against Wlad would guarantee a loss against Vitali.

Larry Donald was a decent mover, Lewis of course was a good boxer, so when you say he never fought a mover that's untrue. Herbie Hide as well was a decent mover, hence the name "The Dancing Destroyer".

Lewis of course was not in his best shape at 256lbs but he was still in better shape than Fury has ever been. Fury is hardly known for his self discipline, didn't he balloon up to over 300lbs after the 2nd Haye fight was cancelled.

Lewis looked bad against Vitali because Vitali partially made him look bad, it's not the first time we've seen Lewis out jabbed or even out boxed, remember how he looked against Bruno. Vitali out boxed Lewis and Lewis to his credit adapted his style. Vitali may look awkward but is a good boxer, Fury isn't showing him anything he can't deal with.

 

Why was a 256lbs Lewis forced to brawl? Now I'm not going to pretend that Lewis was 100% for Lewis he clearly wasn't he took him lightly and didn't show up in the best shape. But he didn't show up in horrible shape like Fury has on numerous occasions. To simply think Vitali's success at out boxing Lewis was all down to Lewis being less than 100% is short sighted, especially as Bruno was a able to outbox, a younger faster Lewis. Vitali was a better boxer than Wlad, he just wasn't as quick or pleasing to watch, but that doesn't alter the fact he was a skilled boxer.

As I have said before, I'm not ruling Fury's chances out as Vitali is old but I think he represents a very different proposition to Fury than Wlad and one that currently maybe too much for him.

 

Didn't Stewart want Lewis to come in heavy against Vitali?

 

I'll say that their reaction time's just about even...

I'm sure Wlad could do this aslo, but Vitali had more than an inch over him, thus more effective against shorter opponents. Low guard also give you faster upperbody movements. But tall and rangy fighters could still get to Vitali nevertheless. See Sanders and Lewis as examples, because of LESS height and reach disadvantage than the usual Vitali-victims.

Fury would HAVE the height and reach advantage to begin with...

 

I believe its you who doesn't understand. The definition of leaning back in a straight line has nothing to do with anything.
Mayweather had multiple more levels to his defensive ability. His primary defensive method was the shoulder roll and he blocked more shots using a high guard than he ever did by leaning straight back.

Neither did Vitali. He never slipped a punch in his life. His hands low , pull back defensive style only worked against small bums that made up 95% of his record.
Wlad is a far more sharper , accurate and faster puncher than Vitali. He saw every punch coming and it would be the same against his brother. Fury is too smart to be lured into a simple counter trap like that.

Lewis over came Vitali by walking forward blocking punches with his face and tearing him up on the inside. Vitali only had success when Lewis stomped forward. At range he was beaten to the punch and he had nothing to offer on the inside. Fury has the range and speed to pop Vitali at will before circling off - rinse and repeat. Vitali hasn't the angles or hooks to deal with Fury moving around him. He never had to deal with such movement in his career . He simply doesn't have the versatility.
Wlad had the much better footwork and far superior positioning to deliver hooks on movers than Vitali did. Yet he was not successful.

Vitali is just as hesitant as Wlad in a fight and his history proves that. If he refused to walk down Johnson , he isn't going to walk down Fury at any cost.

Did you see those fights?:huh
Donald was a good mover when he fought Bowe in the early 90's , but his legs were completely gone when he fought Vitali. There was no movement from Donald that night. He was a shell of himself.
Hide won the first round , then decided to quit in the next. Hardly an indicator of Vitali dealing to movement.

Wtf:huh
Lewis looked like he was about to collapse the way he slumped into his corner after every round. He was so knackered , he was falling all over Vitali and all over the ring like ****ed sailor.
Most HWs would be gassed out after 6 rounds if they mimicked Furys activity rate. His movement , stamina and endurance is incomparable to anybody else in the division.
Lewis was slow , flat footed and lethargic.

Its not the first time Lewis turned up , unprepared and under motivated. But instead of getting knocked out for his laziness , this time he actually won by knock out.
Vitali couldn't deal with a jab , a straight right and an uppercut on the inside from Lewis. Fury brings the same mus**** to the table.
On top of unorthodox , switching hitting movement .
Think of the success the worst ever Sanders had in the first 2 rounds before he gassed out.
Fury brings that times 100.

 

I have no doubt even this version of Vitali could beat Fury. Especially with Fury's pathetically low punch output.

 

Look at both of their fights against Kevin Johnsson.

Fury's a much more complete fighter.

TKO 5...

 

Vitali has never beaten an A-level fighter. Only twice in his career did he fight an A-level fighter, and he lost to both of them.

Fury has beaten Vlad, which alone is far better than Vitali's entire resume of slow defenseless plodders.

 

He beat a guy by landing 7.1 punches a round. That isn't going to work against Vitali Klitschko. Fury was scared to engage with a guy that was literally just standing in front of him not throwing punches. Vitali isn't going to sit back like that. He was aggressive. Lets not act like Fury KOed Wlad in one or two rounds it was an awful fight.

 

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Fury wouldn't engage with Wlad and never got on the inside and did anything except throw rabbit punches. What fight were you watching? The guy landed 7.1 punches a round. Fury fights nothing like Sanders and lacks the power, speed, and Sanders was willing to mix it up Fury was too scared to do such against a guy that refused to offer any resistance and throw punches. It was pitiful.

 

Fury beat Vlad by landing 7 punches a round because Vlad is not really a great fighter. Fury did the bare minimum to win, like he does in every fight he's in. Fury has looked bad against almost every man he has fought, including John McDermott and Joey Abell. But he always gets the W.

Vitali has very little experience with guys who aren't obese and/or slow. He looks like Muhammad Ali because he fights bums. Against the guys on Vlad's resume, like David Haye, Eddie Chambers, or Ruslan Chagaev, he would have got outsmarted like he did against Chris Byrd. Byrd wanted to fight Vitali again, but team Klitschko threw "boxer-killer" Vladimir at him. Very clever.

 

Wlad kept holding him and had Weeks protecting him thats why. The real question is how does Wlad lose every round to a guy who barely threw a punch?

Lets be honest here. You know absolutely nothing about the sport of boxing.

 

Tyson Fury fights in the style of Vitali, but has better head movement and a better ring IQ.

Vitali's defensive strategy in each fight is to just lean back to avoid the punches from his shorter, one-dimensional opponent. Since his managers always put him in the ring with the same opponent (Chisora, Peter, Arreola... do I need to go on?), Vitali never needed to do anything different.

After he got rope-a-doped by Chris Byrd, Vitali's opponents were all carefully picked by his team: only stationary opponents with no defense and no ring IQ.

All the smart, defensively-gifted contenders (Chambers, Byrd, Chagaev) were given to Vladimir, who had the handspeed and precision to pick away at them and wear them down.

 

Pot calling the kettle black