Vitali Klitschko: Wladimir is better than me.

Why? Wladimir is a much more talented fighter, and seems to me not a pompus jerk like Vitali. Wlad seems very genuine.

 

Wlad got knocked down 3 times against Peter and still won the fight. I think it goes without saying Sanders at 225lb was in far better shape vs Wlad than he was against Vitali.

Sanders was a one round fighter that night vs Vitali. He showed up grossely out of shape. Things would have been a lot more interesting had he been able to fight that way for a couple more rounds...really put pressure on Vitali to make him get in a dogfight.

 

I'm talking about vs. Sanders. Vitali took the same big punches Wlad did, and came back to win. Wlad wasn't tough enough (mentally or physically) to come back from the same.

As for vs. Peter, Vitali was tough enough to not get dropped in the first place.

Except you JUST said "Facts are Facts" in Post #28 and disregarded extenuating circumstances like these. Now you want to ignore the facts and make excuses. You can't have it both ways.

Now you're just completely making stuff up. What happened to "Facts are Facts"?

 

Ok let's stick to purely facts. Vitali Klitschko was stopped inside the distance vs Chris Bryd. Wladimir Klitschko twice dominated Chris Byrd.


Having chris byrd under your win column is better than having Corrie Sanders, and Ross Purrity.


Are these all clear enough strict facts for you?

 

That's not a fact, that's an opinion.

No. And how are they relevant to each brother's toughness and resiliency?

 

If I were to say having a prime Muhammad Ali under your win column is better than having corrie sanders under your W column..would you say that statement is fact or opinion?

 

Toughness? Vitali displayed one of the worst quit jobs in boxing history. Not only did he quit late in the fight, not only did he quit in a big title fight, not only did he quit when he had a 0 under his loss column, not only did he quit against a harmless fighter who was much smaller than him, but he quit while ahead big on all 3 cards. He only had to survive!

This fight alone should make you consider Wlad as being the tougher of the two.

 

If Sanders had ever equaled Ali's rating in his respective career, then it would indeed be an opinion.

 

But he didn't. Sanders also never equaled Byrds's rating.

 

No worse than the one Duran displayed against Leonard, or Liston against Ali.

Which is less disgraceful than quitting early in a fight.

So now Byrd is just a "harmless small fighter" in your eyes?

You can't go more than one post without completely contradicting yourself.

No it shouldn't. Wlad's KO losses to Sanders and Puritty happened and can't be ignored.

 

Bryd is a harmless small fighter. He is very skilled, but he is harmless as a puncher. Given vitali's situation....He could not lose on points. This makes Bryd's skill meaningless. All he had was a punchers chance. As we know, Bryd was harmless to vitali as a puncher. So clearly, this doesn't contradict my statement at all.

These losses have nothing to do with Wlad's toughness. Wlad didn't quit in either fight. he got tattooed.

Disagree, It's far worse to quit late in a fight where your ahead on all 3 cards...this means you are so close to victory. Just toughen it out a little longer. Go that one extra mile. Suck it up!!

 

Yes it does. You're claiming a harmless small fighter at a stylistic disadvantage is somehow a better win than a big punching big man that's a genuine threat.

Since when does falling apart and getting KO'd having nothing to do with toughness?

Yes he did, when he turned his back against Sanders.

Quitting early means you didn't even have the guts to get anywhere close to victory in the first place.

 

It's far worse. Can you imagine if Liston was well ahead on points against Ali heading into the 14th round, and randomly quit claiming a shoulder injury? Can you imagine how badly that would look?

Just listen to Larry Merchant's reaction. "He doesn't have the mentality of a champion. I have never seen anything like this in my entire life." Those are strong words.

 

Byrd is a better fighter than Corrie Sanders. No doubt. Most fans would agree. but entering the 10th round...Vitali was up 88-83 on all 3 cards. the fight was over. Vitali took away Byrd's biggest asset.. his boxing skill. Now that's all byrd had left to win the fight was a punch against a man who outweighed him by 50lb, had 7" in height, and had never been floored before. Vitali was literally at mile 25.7 of a 26 mile marathon.
Vitali could have easily crossed the finish line. All he had to do was stall, hold him off for 2 rounds and he would win. Byrd had no chance to knock him out. When you quit like that, when your so close...it's demoralizing. People are always taught "Your so close, come on you can do it!!!" with Vitali it was "Your so close, but it's ok. Quit"

With Liston...It was "Your getting outclassed. your not going to win. your old, he's young. Quit early before your take some severe punishment and live to fight another day."

I think your confusing guts with "talent"

 

No "badder" than how Liston looked when quitting as he did. The guy was known was "Sittin' Sonny" for the remainder of his career, and his name practically became synonymous with quitting.

That's exactly what most people said about Liston when he quit.