Vitali Klitschko: Wladimir is better than me.

Vitali was never champ.

 

the quote true or untrue meanz nothing as vitali is creating the quote from love and respect for his brother

love and respect waznt what vitali used to kick the crap out of his oppenentz in the ring

therefore this entire thread is complete garbage and so is everything in this thread especially me

i hope your all happy

 

Vitali will also always be known for quitting on his stool vs Byrd. For the remainder of his career. His name will be synonynous with quitting in future generations.

Well if Liston did what I said he did above, quit while ahead on points with 2 rounds to go....then I would critisize him more than I do. Vitali was young, in his prime. He was in top condition. A 40 year old Evander Holyfield fought with the exact same injury vs you guessed it Chris Byrd! A 28 year old, young buck like Vitali couldn't? Liston was at least old and a bit past his prime when he took on Muhammad. Fighters are more likely to lay down and quit when their older...not when their young bucks like Vitali.



Back to the thread...Vitali admitted Wladimir is the clear better talent of the two. Wladimir has unquestionably beaten better competition of the two...do you wish to question that?

 

Their respective fights with Wlad raise quite a few doubts, actually.

No it wasn't; the fight was even when he quit, and Liston had gotten in some big punches only two rounds earlier.

Another contradiction. If Liston was an old man, then he couldn't count on having a future ahead of him to "fight another day." Vitali did, and so by your logic was more justified in quitting.

 

Prove it.

No, young bucks are likely to lay down as well, when they're relatively inexperienced at handling adversity.

No he hasn't. Their biggest wins are both comparable to each other.

 

old men continue to fight all the time. Just because your old doesn't mean automatic retirement. Plenty of old men fight for years before retiring. Liston was still the heavyweight champ. He was about to lose his title to a younger better challenger, so save yourself from taking severe punishment, and live to fight him in a possible rematch or again in the future.

Oh, Please. Those scorecards weren't accurate. Liston was getting thrashed. His eyes were nearly shut. he was getting outclassed by a younger faster challenger. Save yourself from bad beating.

Chris Byrd is better than Corrie Sanders. True or False?

 

Make a thread on it.


Wladimir beat


Ruslan Chagaev
Eddie Chambers
Chris Byrd 2x
Hasim Rahman
Samuel Peter
Lamon Brewster
Tony Thompson
Sultan Ibragimov
Ray Austin
Calvin Brock
Jameel Mccline
Derrick Jefferson

All of these men were either top 10 by Ring Magazine, or Mandatories when Wladimir fought them.

Wlad also beat


Monte Barrett
David Bostice
Ray Mercer
Axel Shulz
Francois Botha


It's not even close. Chris Byrd and Ruslan Chagaev are better than anyone Vitali ever beat. This is undeniable. This includes the way out of shape Corrie Sanders Vitali fought. When we take a look at the rest... Wlad also beat many more rated contenders. Wladimir beat a Ring Magazine # 1 contender. Vitali never has done that during his career.

 

And old men burn out just as readily. They can't count on having futures anymore, which makes each individual fight of greater importance.

Yes they were. Liston had done enough to win 3 rounds, which would make it even after 6.

Only in 2 or 3 rounds.

False. Neither was more than a good, decent partial titleholder at any stage of their career.

 

No it isn't. They were never more than non-great partial titleholders in their career, just as Sanders, Peter, or Hide were.

Your question was who beat better competition, not who beat a bigger volume of comp.

 

Corrie Sanders only made the Ring Magazine ratings twice in his long career. With a highest rating of # 3.


Chris Bryd made the Ring Magazine ratings SIX years in a row including back to back # 1 ratings in 2004-2005. Bryd was a 2x heavyweight champion with his 2nd reign lasting 4 years and 4 title defends.

I think this all points to Byrd being the much more proven world class fighter...with Sanders being a one hit wonder, who basically was a journeyman the majority of his career. Bryd takes the cake for me.

Also, Wladimir beat Bryd in his prime. Vitali did not beat a prime sanders. The 235lb grossely out of shape sanders who got in the ring with Vitali, he does not compare to Byrd in any way shape or form.

 

Personally, I can´t see how anybody can argue that Vitali is better than Wlad after seeing them both fight. Add to that Wlad´s better resume and achievements and it get´s even more obvious.

 

No it doesn't, because he still never proved he could score a win bigger or more impressive than Sanders' over Wlad.

Whether or not you think he was in his "prime" is not relevant. What matters is that Vitali beat a Sanders who was coming off the biggest win of his career, and against a fighter Byrd would fail twice against.

 

So going by your logic Jack Dempsey is not better than Hasim Rahman because he never proved he could score a win bigger or more impressive than Rahman's over Lennox?


I don't think any one out there will agree with your logic on this one. Byrd is a proven consistent world class top contender for many years...Sanders was a career journeyman with one big win(which isn't that impressive when you consider unrated brewster and purrity also flattened Wlad, thus taking credit away from sanders). Prior to the fight, Sanders had not beaten anyone in the top 10 by Ring Magazine. Not even close.

Sanders also lost by TKO to a fighter Byrd stopped inside the distance. Facts are Facts rite?

 

Sure he did, when he KO'd Willard.

Why would that take credit away from Sanders, particularly given that he KO'd Wlad much quicker and easier than either of them? You could just as well argue Byrd's stoppage losses to Ibeabuchi, Povetkin, and Shaun George take credit away from Wlad's wins over him.

And what does it say of Wlad that such undistinguished fighters keep consistently beating him? Vitali not only had less losses, but to two fighters you've praised highly in this thread.

 

the second byrd fight is a very good win for wlad.byrd himself said in a recent interview on the ropes that he was very motivated for that fight and that he had the best training camp ever for that fight.he also said that fight ruined him as a fighter,because he was so well prepared and got dominated and knocked out.