Vitali Klitschko: Wladimir is better than me.

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  1. DonBoxer

    DonBoxer The Lion! Full Member

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    Wlad is undeniably more decorated and right now would win if they fought. I still rate Vits preformance against Lewis as better than anthing Wlad has done. Prime for prime H"H i think Vit wins. For legacy it has to be Wlad he is so dominant and has a half decent resume.
     
  2. ticar

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    if anything lewis fight proved that vitali's punching power isn't something at all.he hit lewis flush with right hands and couldn't even knock him down.wlad would ktfo that version of lewis
     
  3. DonBoxer

    DonBoxer The Lion! Full Member

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    No way. Wlad could not take those shot Vit was being bombed with.
     
  4. ticar

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    neither could lewis take wlad's right hand flush:deal
     
  5. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    I think its fair to rate Wlad higher on the basis of having beaten a lot more rated opponents, winning more titles, etc... But, I don't think the difference is as vast as some make it out to be... Remember, Vitali defeated two of Wlad's conquerors, whereas Wlad only beat one of Vitali's, and that was a fight that he was winning anyway. Vitali came out of retirement at age 37 to handely beat a more experienced version of Sam Peter than the one that a prime Wlad struggled with. Vitali has less defeats and those came against Chris Byrd and Lennox Lewis - two world class fighters, as opposed to Wlad's 3 losses to Brewster, Sanders and Purity.. While Wlad may have skills that a bit sharper, let's face it, neither man has looked particularly exciting or impressive in most of their fights.. For whatever its worth, Vitali also has a higher win/ko percentage and has won a lot more rounds in fights than Wlad....
     
  6. SuzieQ49

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    Actually...Wlad beat the better version of Sam Peter. It pains me to say this, because i hate making excuses, but Peter showed up to the Vitali fight overweight. He looked far more lethargic, less sharp than he did against Wladimir. The Wladimir fight was peter's best. I am not the only one with this opinion. Chris Pontius thinks so too. I hope he chimes in here. It's clearly visible to see on film. Peter does not go after Vitali at all. He has no fire in his belly. His reflexes look so slow. In the wlad fight, Peter went after him. he was a hungry tiger.
     
  7. SuzieQ49

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    Now you sound like Mendoze with this silly stat.
     
  8. mr. magoo

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    You're only looking at part of the equation and not the whole picture though.. Peter was maybe 10 lbs lighter against Wlad and had a little more spunk... That's fine... But are you going to totally disregard the fact that against Vitali he also had a lot more experience, was facing a 37 year old man who was off for 4 years, and not a 29 year old fighter who was active? How about the one sided fashion in which Vitali destroyed him despite these things, while Wlad was taken the distance and decked multiple times? You might argue that Sam was better against Wlad, but again that's only one part of things... You have to put it all into perspective..
     
  9. mr. magoo

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    Common Suzie, I'm going to ask you to be honest here... If one of your favorite fighters had claim to the very same statistic, would you not be throwing it all over the place like confetti at a birthday party? The stat might not mean much to you, but its still something that no one else has manged to acheive, so regardless of its value, its still unique in its own way... Stats may not mean everything, but like anything else, it should count for something... Its one of the many ways that we crtique fighters..
     
  10. Joe

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    If McCall and Rahman could do it then certainly Wladimir could aswell.

    Don't get me wrong I agree to some extent but I'd phrase it Lewis would have a good chance to knock Wladimir out inside 3 rounds but Vitaly would always take him to the later rounds.

    If Wladimir lands flush though Lewis would be out there is no questioning that, Lewis had a good chin in my opinion but anyone caught flush can be knocked out Rahman and McCall proved it in Lewis case.
     
  11. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    Agreed,

    while I would always rate Lennox Lewis higher than either Klitschko and certainly favor him heavily to beat both, I don't think that their losses were any worse than Lewis's defeats to McCall and Rahman.... There are some who even gave an aging Ray Mercer the nod in his 1996 match against Lewis..
     
  12. Harman

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    with only a Jab, a cross and sometimes a left hook?? Sorry but chambers is technical better then Waldi!

    Waldi is the best 2meter Boxer in his era who can use his High advantage..

    Vitali is much more variably in his fights..

    Ah and Waldi says Vitali is the better fighter..

    the sisters lick one another her asses..
     
  13. Joe

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    Yep, Lewis is certainly a more complete fighter than either of them but in a trilogy with any brother I don't think Lewis would come out with 3-0

    A better way of saying it is may be that no other fighter of the era has perfected his own technique to become as dominant as Wladimir has, we all know it, his safety first style has made him almost untouchable against todays opposition.
     
  14. SuzieQ49

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    I agree with what you say at the bottom of your post, but in regard's to this particular stat, it just seems so ridiculous. Part of the reason vitali has such a great rounds won/lost ratio is the lack of competition he has faced. What if he were to fight Povetkin, and say he ages overnight, and povetkin wins 11 out of 12 rounds against him? Does vitali now own the greatest won rounds ratio in history anymore? Doubt it. I think the most glaring stat out of all of them is Vitali has lost to the two best fighters he has ever fought.
     
  15. he grant

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    The difference is that Vitali had the chin to stand there and wack the **** out of Sam from minute one while Wlad ran like a girl for his life ..