Vitali Klitschko's wasted talent

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  1. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. Full Member

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    Vitali fought Chisora hurt. The amazing thing is some of the guys he beat are still around today.
     
  2. steve1990

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    He was beating Byrd with one arm also he destroyed Peter who beat down Toney.
     
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  3. Ra's Al-Ghul

    Ra's Al-Ghul The one and only! Full Member

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    I had rated Gomez higher than Adamek and Toney, he was also bigger than them. He was like a Roy Jones Jr. with more power and would have had won against the other title-holders possible (Tschagajew would be tough to predict as even match-up, but Walujew would he have defeated more convincingly than Haye did).

    Not to forget the Helenius vs. Chisora fight might have been controversial/ an unfair decision, but it was close (like Huck vs. Lebedev) and the first one (who fought with an injured shoulder from round 2 onwards) was clearly top ten, likely even 5 (after wins straight against Lyakowitsch, Peter, Brewster, Tony who defeated Takam, Oloukun among others, in very impressive fashion). So "The Nordic Nightmare" was a much better opponent than what Fury had faced at that point (even now has he only two better opponents in his record), as he had only the first Chisora one and if who deserved a win against Helenius, then had lost Fury against McDermont even more clear.

    Kingpin Johnson might have not desevered the shot, especially because of his negative style and only goal to survive somehow, but this was Klitschkos third title-defence in 2009 (how many current champion reach this number currently?) and this guy had 1 - 2 half-decent wins, like against Timur Ibraghimov. So Vitaly Klitschko had possible a case to have been candidate as fighter of that year (who has a better achievement than dominant victories over Gomez, Arreola, Johnson; with an accumulated record of about 90 - 1?)

    Pianeta got later (after a cancer-sickness in the meantime) title-shots against Wladimir Klitschko and Ruslan Tschagajew around the end of his career. So I see no shame for Sosnowsky in drawing with whom.
     
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  4. mcvey

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    Haye backed out of a Vitali fight because in event of Haye winning K2 wanted a rematch clause that gave them the right to dictate not only the site but the next 2 opponents.No prizes for guessing who they would be!
    Haye passed on the Vitali fight because ,should he win K2 wanted options on his first two defences,no prizes for guessing whom they would have been against! As an alphabet Champ Vitali fought more unranked ,undeserving contenders than anyone ever has.
     
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  5. he grant

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    Sone pretty solid points ..
     
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  6. Mendoza

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    FAKE NEWS. Does someone else want to clean up here on this guy? On vacation.
     
  7. THE BLADE 2

    THE BLADE 2 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Styles make fights.Toney’s style would be difficult for Vitali.Vitali quit against Byrd.
     
  8. mcvey

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    Until he quit.
     
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  9. mcvey

    mcvey Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    McGrain has amply demonstrated that Vitali fought a bunch of unranked patsies.
    As to Haye, it was widely written about .In The Telegraph, The Times,
    The Sun and The Daily Mirror. Sorry Mr Trump ,you're wrong yet again!
     
  10. steve1990

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    Byrd also ducked a rematch.
     
  11. mcvey

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    Source for this please?
    FYI Vitali was out injured so Byrd defended against his brother just 6 months after beating Vitali.Wlad was ranked higher than Byrd by the Ring, and Vitali wasn't even in their top ten.
     
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  12. dinovelvet

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    Thats a falsity. It was Vitaly who ducked the rematch when he opted to fight Timmo Hoffman instead of triggering the rematch clause he had over Byrd.
     
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  13. Glass City Cobra

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    I never understood why he never rematches Byrd if, according to some fans, he was "gonna win anyway" and Byrd was lucky he had a shoulder injury. Just clear up the confusion and settle the score ffs.

    It's bad enough the 2 brothers are in the same division and won't fight. At least avenge your losses and have better match making. Im so glad that era is over.

    Part of the match making wasn't Vitali's fault but at some point you have to slam the breaks when reading threads like these and question his overall legacy. Just how exactly do you rate a guy who enjoys such a huge size and technical skill advantage over mostly mediocre opponents? Forget h2h, other than the rare gems like the chisora or lewis fights when did we really get to see what Vitali was made of and actually put his heart and skills to the test? Before you think "can't criticize him for being dominant and skilled", no of course not, but as the OP shows there WERE better options available and we simply never got the most ideal or entertaining fights. Hence the "waste of talent" head line.

    I think it could be compared to Bill Russel and his elite team utterly destroying the relatively weak basketball era he competed in. No one denies Russel's skills but there's an asterisk* if you compare his era to the most recent couple of decades and the difference in overall talent pool.
     
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  14. THE BLADE 2

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    Arguably, Vitali lost against the best two fighters he fought in past prime Lennox and Chris Byrd. His record does not look very impressive. His best win might be Sam Peter.
     
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  15. Man_Machine

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    Vitali's first reign, consisting of a single defense before retirement due to injury, speaks for itself.

    I'm not sure how much we could have expected from a returning 37-year-old (and aging), injury-prone and, in my opinion, somewhat overrated heavyweight.

    I've always had the impression that Vitali came back from injury, just because he knew he could; making some relatively easy money in the process.

    Vitali's shared reign, on his return, formed part of what, I think, will be remembered as one of the most depressing periods in heavyweight history.
     
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