Vitali Klitschko's wasted talent

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  1. Ra's Al-Ghul

    Ra's Al-Ghul The one and only! Full Member

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    Does undefeated journeyman exist (partly with 100%-knockout-rate)?:dunno

    How would it have been credited if he faced fourty-something Holyfield and washed up Tyson (who lost against Williams and McBride)?
    Or over the hill Tua, after twa years lay-off (because of promotion contract issues) who was stopped and down vs. Barrett?
    And china-jaw Maskajew, com'on, you would have had him in the other list if he had fought him (who was stopped by T-Rex Sanders, Peter and Nagy), which was actual rummoured. Just as you would have had Oquendo discredited, if they had fought.
    Ibraghimov was never at the same time active as him, despite his early begin; shall he fight him with 5 professional bouts?
    Dimitrenko and Boytsow were worse than half of the other list at least. If you mention someone then the right guys like Mesi, Platov, Rodriguez, Wilder (maybe Stiverne).
    Hoffmann and Purritty (where he aveneged his brothers defeat) were comeback fights, after bad injuries. Lewis fought with that instead Lionell Butler. He missed a lot of elte opponents too, like Corries Sanders, Michael Moorer, Chris Byrd and maybe John Ruiz as well.

    Or Ali never fought Johansson, Martin and Spencer, but had time for third-tier clubboxer as Weppner, a 7-fight-novice and domestic-level gate-keeper London among others.

    Louis had even worse challengers, in his bum of the month defences.
     
  2. Ra's Al-Ghul

    Ra's Al-Ghul The one and only! Full Member

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    The is abosulte wrong, as he defended his title first in September 1999 against Ed Mahone by technical knockout in round 3 (youself mentioned him before here), then against Obed Sullivan three months later and after that on the 1st. of April 2000 had he his third defence against Chris Byrd, you idiot.:BangHead:

    Are you really that dumb or do you believe ever memeber here is even more mentally handicaped than youself?:watchout:

    The era was also better than the current one.
     
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  3. NoNeck

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    He beat Hide for the WBO belt.
     
  4. mcvey

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    You're right he beat Hide, defended against Mahone,Sullivan, and lost to Byrd.
     
  5. mcvey

    mcvey Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yes I'm wrong.
     
  6. mcvey

    mcvey Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The point which seems to have escaped you is all those I named were top ten ranked .those he fought for the most part were not.
     
  7. The Slaps

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    This is my first post so be kind please . I must say I'm a big fan of Vitali,l. At the time when him and his brother dominated I was with many giving out about the seven foot long jabs boring heavy division. (I actually loved early wlad when he was always looking for the KO until Brewster and Sanders sparked him out and gave him the fear). But when I look back Vitali was the best heavyweight we had since the golden 90's and I wish I appreciated him more at the time. He was fast, awkward, technically sound, unreal conditioning except for injuries and just kept on punching like a machine and unlike his brother he had a chin of concrete. I feel a lot of fighters avoided Vitali and chased Wlad was mainly because they reckoned they could take Wlad, one solid could end it. Fight Vitali your going to war and he lacked the real power to finish you early especially after his first injury so it was going to be a long suffering night. His only two losses are due to injury and cuts (although he should of road out the end vs Byrd, he could of coasted till the end with his reach advantage and see what happens). Lewis was lucky imo Vitali had taken his best shots and was walking him down, Lewis was fading, still one of the biggest argued fights of all time ).
    Pity he never fought Wlad, but I think Vitali would of beatin him all day every day, they would know each other inside out and Wlad had that paper mache chin, maybe not 10 out of 10, Wlad could possibly hold it to a points win once or twice.
    Side note his wbo title win was a paperweight not a real world championship at that time. you got to beat the champ or beat someone the champ was afraid of. We don't have to keep recognising all the ABC champions just the legitimate ones.
     
  8. Man_Machine

    Man_Machine Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I was referring to the reigns covering the period for which the OP has outlined Vitali's title defenses, i.e. from 2004 onwards; when, for a brief period, he was the Divisional Ring Champion (and from 2008 to 2012, the No. 1 Ring Rated Contender, behind his brother as Champion). This is made even clearer when, in a subsequent post, I state: "I must admit that I hadn't considered Vitali's ledger, as far back as his spell as WBO titlist".

    So - not "false"; just a matter of misinterpretation, on your part.

    I hope this clears things up.
     
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  9. mcvey

    mcvey Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    See correction to this in my later post.
     
  10. Ra's Al-Ghul

    Ra's Al-Ghul The one and only! Full Member

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    When were Ibraghimow, Oquendo, Tua, Tyson or Holyfield ranked in the top 10 during Vitaly Klitschkos reign, particular the second and third?
    Especially as the last two were not interested in the WBO (Mike Tyson could even done an eliminatiin bout vs. Kirk Johnson, as he was WBO #1, but the later one went the WBA line against Larry "The Legend" Donald, when Wlaimir Klitschko had his first reign).
    Also was Maskajew only very short listed there, until he was stopped by a journeyman in 2009.

    And you didn't mention the high ranked, like Sanders was number 2, Hide number 3, Johnson was top 5, Gomez too, Byrd top 10, Peter, Adamek, Arreola, Donald and Bean were all rated.
     
  11. Ra's Al-Ghul

    Ra's Al-Ghul The one and only! Full Member

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    No just a matter of wrong pretentions on yours, as you maintained the first reign, which was from June 1999 to April 2000. So you most likely did some mistakes/ errors in your statements.

    By the way was the from you mnetioned rating till end of 2013, not 2012.
    Also was he in his first reign on place 4 in the Independent computer world ranking, possible 3.
     
  12. Man_Machine

    Man_Machine Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I have explained what period I was referring to, which was the scope of the subject, as laid out in the OP. Does that compute?

    If you want to refer to Vitali's 10 months as WBO Titlist, as a "reign", then be my guest. I really don't care - I've told you what was being covered in my post. That's the end of it.
     
  13. Ra's Al-Ghul

    Ra's Al-Ghul The one and only! Full Member

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    Well you wrote first reign, there have been nothing to be interpreted as it is clear. No you try to cover your fail, instead of admiting it, which say more about yourself than anything else...
     
  14. Man_Machine

    Man_Machine Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Have you even read the original post of this thread?
     
  15. Ra's Al-Ghul

    Ra's Al-Ghul The one and only! Full Member

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    Jup last week I did already.
     


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