Vitali, Lennox Lewis, Larry Holmes, Muhammad Ali, Rocky Marciano, Joe Louis?

dumb thread...

Makes no sense and you may aswell be blowing vitali...

 

I won't go through all of them, even though I appreciate the work you've done in setting up this thread. But I have to disagree with your pick to favor Vitali over a prime Lewis. As it was, Lewis was shot to **** in 2003. He was nearly 38 years old, off for 12 months, showed up at a career high 256 lbs, and despite all that, still found a way to win, albeit controversially. Had Lewis been roughly five years younger, he would have taken Klitschko apart. I believe that Vitali Klitschko is a head to head monster for a lot of great men who rate higher for legacy reasons. But Lewis was one of the few guys who had everything necessary to beat him....

 

If you r being deadly serious about this, then it does make me feel bad for you, that you went through all this effort to make such a poor thread :/ however looking at some or your picks I think it's quite clear that your a troll. Larry Holmes to KO Vitali being my personal fave :rofl

 

1 Vitali VS (Prime) Lennox = Lennox via TKO (cut stoppage a la their 2003 bout)

2 Vitali VS Larry = Larry via decision

3 Vitali VS Ali = Ali via decision

4 Vitali VS Rocky = Vitali via TKO

5 Vitali VS Joe Louis = Vitali via KO

6 Lennox VS Larry = Larry via decision

7 Lennox VS Ali = Ali via decision

8 Lennox VS Rocky = Lennox via TKO

9 Lennox VS Joe Louis = Lennox via KO

10 Larry VS (Prime) Ali = Ali via decision

11 Larry VS Rocky = Holmes via decision

12 Larry VS Joe Louis = Holmes via decision

13 Ali VS Rocky = Ali via decision

14 Ali VS Joe Louis = Ali via decision

15 Rocky VS (Prime) Joe Louis = Louis via TKO

 

Rocky, really. The only one I think he could beat prime for prime would probably be Joe Louis. He was too small and slow for the rest of them.

 

I cant believe you got Vitali beating Louis at #5...Thats a real piece of **** just like Vitali!

 

Louis, Ali, Holmes, and Lewis would have been to much for The Rock!:bbb

 

1 Vitali VS Lennox = 40/60 fight, my bet would be Lennox

2 Vitali VS Larry = Not even close, Vitali KO's Larry early

3 Vitali VS Ali = Vitali KO's Ali late

4 Vitali VS Rocky = Vitali KO' Rocky to death

5 Vitali VS Joe Louis = Vitali wins by KO

6 Lennox VS Larry = Lennox wins by KO late

7 Lennox VS Ali = Sorry but Ali loses this one

8 Lennox VS Rocky = Lennox beats Rocky into a coma

9 Lennox VS Joe Louis = Lennox by late KO

10 Larry VS Ali = Ali and it is not even close

11 Larry VS Rocky = Larry wins on PTS

12 Larry VS Joe Louis = Joe Louis wins on PTS

13 Ali VS Rocky = Ali, and he wins every round

14 Ali VS Joe Louis = 50/50, I would have to go with Ali in a very close fight

15 Rocky VS Joe Louis = Joe Louis wins a very easy fight on PTS

 

1 Vitali VS Lennox = Lennox stoppage within 5 rounds

2 Vitali VS Larry = Larry wins a decision over him

3 Vitali VS Ali = Ali stoppage late, probably on cuts (shitschko's get their panties in a bunch over it again)

4 Vitali VS Rocky = Rock wins via cuts

5 Vitali VS Joe Louis = Vitali via stoppage

6 Lennox VS Larry = Holmes outboxes him and gets a decision

7 Lennox VS Ali = Ali outboxes him like Holmes

8 Lennox VS Rocky = Lennox KO

9 Lennox VS Joe Louis = Lennox KO

10 Larry VS Ali = Ali via close decision

11 Larry VS Rocky = Larry via decision

12 Larry VS Joe Louis = I think Louis can get a stoppage here ... in the later rounds

13 Ali VS Rocky = Ali wins a decision but has trouble

14 Ali VS Joe Louis = Ali outboxes him and might even stop him

15 Rocky VS Joe Louis = Joe Louis wins by way of stoppage

 

What makes you think iron chinned Ali would be KOed by a man who has nothing but bums on his resume? Vitali's power is overrated and Ali would easily circumvent his awkward style and out box him

 

1 Vitali VS Lennox = Lennox TKO6

2 Vitali VS Larry = Holmes UD

3 Vitali VS Ali = Ali UD

4 Vitali VS Rocky = Vitali UD

5 Vitali VS Joe Louis = Louis TKO9

6 Lennox VS Larry = Lewis TKO11

7 Lennox VS Ali = Ali UD

8 Lennox VS Rocky = Lewis UD

9 Lennox VS Joe Louis = Lewis TKO4

10 Larry VS Ali = Ali UD

11 Larry VS Rocky = Holmes UD

12 Larry VS Joe Louis = Louis TKO10

13 Ali VS Rocky = Rocky UD

14 Ali VS Joe Louis = Ali UD

15 Rocky VS Joe Louis = Rocky TKO13

Ali 4-1
Lewis 4-1

Holmes 2-3
Louis 2-3
Rocky 2-3

Vitali 1-4

 

makes sense

Vitali is clearly 2 or 3 classes below these champions

I think its generous to give him a W over the Rock though ... he would go to work on Vitali's glass body

 

1 Vitali VS Lennox = Lewis by late stoppage. Vitali would impose himself early, but fade late on. Lewis stops him on his feet after an initial uppercut wobbles Vitali on the inside.

2 Vitali VS Larry = Vitali by decision. Call me crazy, but Larry Holmes on a H2H basis is incredibly overrated. He got blown out the first time he faced a grade A opponent. Vitali would punish Larry late on and win a close but clear decision

3 Vitali VS Ali = Ali by decision. Vitali is too slow to handle Ali's foot and hand speed. He can get in, lands his shots and get out far too easily. I know Vitali was past his best, but if solis could do it easily for one round, it would be scary to see what Ali could do.

4 Vitali VS Rocky = Vitali by stoppage. It's a tricky one but in all honesty I do think Marciano is just too small for someone physically imposing as Vitali.

5 Vitali VS Joe Louis = Louis via KO. A tough one, but the best puncher of all time would connect far too often for Vitali to get settled, and when Joe gets him going, he ain't gonna let him off easy

6 Lennox VS Larry = Lennox via KO. Lennox could win this two ways. Back away from Larry (he can't box a mover) and throw 1-2s all night on the way to a close decision or rough Holmes up on the inside, turn it into a scrap and take his head off with a big uppercut or
consistent straight rights. It's likely Larry would still he standing though

7 Lennox VS Ali = Draw. this would be a snooze fest. Lennox would not be willing to engage and box off the back foot. Ali would be very cautious as well and probably try to get Lennox to follow him all night. Being the bigger man and having Steward in his corner he wouldn't do that.

8 Lennox VS Rocky = Lewis via KO. Again, I hate to use the 'Marciano is to small' theory, but Lewis knows how to get rough. A monster uppercut I the middle rounds sends Rocky on his ass and if he choses to get up he gets pummelled even more

9 Lennox VS Joe Louis = Louis via KO. To precise a puncher for Lennox in my eyes. Lewis could try bring it to the streets, but Joe is just to good a boxer-puncher and the moment he even senses Lewis is hurts its goodnight Lennox.

10 Larry VS Ali = Ali via comfortable decision. Larry can't fight movers and would be chasing Ali all night (67 Ali) he can get in and out and would make his former sparring partner look foolish at times.

11 Larry VS Rocky = Rocky by TKO. Down on the cards a late onslaught leaves Larry a sitting duck to some huge bombs while stuck on the ropes. The ref has no choice but too stop it. I also think Holmes by UD is a possibility, but I think Marciano stops him late

12 Larry VS Joe Louis = Louis by KO. Larry didn't have the power to scare Joe. Larry was also open to the big straight right and he's against the most precise puncher of all time. Louis stops him around about the 10th

13 Ali VS Rocky = Ali by decision. Marciano makes it interesting down the stretch and comes on strong in the championship rounds, but Alis chin is good enough to hold on after building a big lead in scorecards early on

14 Ali VS Joe Louis = Louis by KO Probably the hardest match up to call in terms of heavyweight fatansy matches. Ali in 67 was brilliant. Fuent, natural, speedy, crafty, however he seemed to cocky for my liking. Against someone as focused and technical as Louis, you can't afford to clown around for one second otherwse you could get banged. Louis digs deep late on in the 13th and takes Ali out after being down a few on the scorecards

15 Rocky VS Joe Louis = Rocky by TKO. Rocky does what he does best against someone that doesn't have that much of a size advantage against him. Pounds Louis in the 14th after being well down on the scorecards. Stylistically I think Marciano and Schmelling are Louis the worst match ups form Louis. Well them and Frazier

So I come out with

1 - Joe Louis- 4-1
2 - Lennox Lewis 3-1-1
2 - Muhammad Ali 3-1-1
4 - Rocky Marciano 2-3
4 - Vitali Klitschko 2-3
6 - Larry Holmes 0-5

Looking back I Jay have been a little harsh on Holmes, but I don't buy into the fact that he should be a H2H beast, especially when in his prime he struggled with a green Witherspoon and an old as **** Norton. This mythical prime of 79-82 that has been thrown about on this forum to avoid his dubious decisions against Ken and Spoon is utter bull****.

 

I would love to see your justification behind this. Seriously.